Catsup Anyone?

[Don]

As time goes on, we're just getting to know the possible future First
Lady President of the United States of America, and it is quite
interesting!!.

You'll be hearing even more about Teresa Heinz Kerry, (We call her "Mrs.
Catsup) wife of Democratic frontrunner. She has quite a track record,
especially when it comes to the causes she donates to. Turns out one of
her favorite "charities" is the Tides Foundation. What is that you ask?
This is an outfit that sends hundreds of millions of dollars to groups that
protested the invasion of Iraq, demands open U.S. borders and provides
legal defense for suspected terrorists. I don't think John Kerry's Vietnam
service is going to make people look the other way on these issues.

Among other groups supported by Kerry's wife: Ramsey Clark's International Action Center. This is the same Ramsey Clark that offered to defend Saddam Hussein. Another group seeks to ease restrictions on immigration from terrorist nations. Another group has links to the terrorist groupHamas. And on and on.

I didn't think it was possible to make Hillary Clinton look good, but
TeresaHeinz Kerry just might.

Heinz Factories Overseas

Subject: LOST JOBS

Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:10:25 EST

Kerry does not like off shore companies: Oh Really? Just came across a
bit of information regarding Kerry and his claim of the Bush administration sending jobs abroad.

Well, it seems that the Heinz Corporation, owned by Kerry's wife, has 79
plants where it manufacturers products and 57 of the 79 are located in
countries outside of the U.S. How many U.S. jobs are lost here?
Factories located at: Taipei, Taiwan (makes Heinz baby foods) Dublin, Ireland; Paris, France; Dovarmenez, France; Lisbon, Portugal; Madrid, Spain; Milan, Italy; Monguzzo, Italy; Athens, Greece; Warsaw, Poland; Pudliszki, Poland; Wodzislaw, Poland; Miedzychod, Poland; Moscow, Russia; Georgievisk, Russia;Cairo, Egypt; Tel Aviv, Isreal; Haifa, Isreal; Elst, The Netherlands and 6 other plants there; Brussels, Belgium; Dusseldorf, Germany; Seesen, Germany;Turnhout, Belgium; Rovereto, Italy; Chateaurenand, France; North York,Ontario, Canada; Wheatley, Ontario, Canada; Caracas, Venezuela; SanJose, Costa Rica; Johannesburg, South Africa; Gaborone, Botswana; Harare, Zimbabwe; Cheguta, Zimbabwe; Wellington, South Africa; Melbourne, Victoria,Australia; Republic of Singapore; Auckland, New Zealand; Tokyo, Japan;Guangzhov, People's Republic of China (makes infant cereal); Qingdao, People's Republic of China (makes infant foods, ketchup, mayonnaise &puree); Inchon, South Korea (makes Heinz products and StarKist);Bangkok, Thailand; Mumbai, India; Jakarta, Indonesia; Surabaya, Indonesia; Manila, Philippines; Wanchai, Hong Kong. Also recently purchased from Bordens these products: Classico Pasta Sauce; Aunt Millies Pasta Sauce; Mrs. Grass
Receipt Soups; Wylers Bouillons & Soups.

Think of the conflict of interest a President would have whose wife owns
business interests in all of these countries and others.

Pass it on!!!! We are made strong by the difficulties we face not by
those
we evade.

[Mark]

Just an fyi, the Heinz company, as well as most of the Northeast perfers the spelling "ketchup" to "catsup" as indicated by its bottle labeling.

And, about her donations. What was, or is, wrong with supporting groups that questioned the legality, morality, or usefulness of an any war? Seems like war is, a priori, an event that requires those kinds of questions.

What is wrong with lobbying for more open immigration? Is it not consistent with the melting pot myth of the U.S., or with the credo of the Statue of Liberty?

What is wrong with providing defense for terrorists? Laws applied justly will be applied rightly. We, as a nation, are no better than methods we use to treat our least well off and our most reviled. By ensuring the suspected terrorists are well defended, she is securing the standard of liberty for us all. If they be found innocent, then all the more reason for doing so; if they be found guilty then it highlights the effectiveness and justness of the legal system.

The same is true, to the Nth degree with Saddam Hussein and Ramsey Clark - a former U.S. Attorney General. His presence in a trial of Saddam will insure that justice is more rightly served when he is convicted.

Regarding Heinz co.'s offshore operations. First, it is not entirely accurate to say that Kerry does not like off-shore companies. Second, without knowing whether Heinz ketchup is made, distributed or sold in any of the foreign locations (for if so, it's absolutely no problem at all) we should reserve judgement about their business practices.

Regarding conflicts of interest. Such a conflict of interest - which might not even really exist considering Heinz-Kerry's level of involvement with day to day operations of the firm - certainly pales in comparison to the level of business connectedness of senior members of the Bush administration to, say, energy firms. Or the architects of the PNAC to the military industrial complex. Or Vice President specifically. Or top tier Republican fundraisers. Or...

[Brent]

Mark, you have had some outrageous posts in the past, but this just may be the one that convinces all of us that you can't *POSSIBLY* believe what you write, and you must be someone who is having a grand time pulling all of our collective legs.

Let's take just a couple items:

What is wrong with providing defense for terrorists?

I don't know. Have you asked any of the families of the September 11 victims?

we should reserve judgement about their business practices.

Regarding conflicts of interest. Such a conflict of interest - which might not even really exist considering Heinz-Kerry's level of involvement with day to day operations of the firm - certainly pales in comparison to the level of business connectedness of senior members of the Bush administration to, say, energy firms. Or the architects of the PNAC to the military industrial complex. Or Vice President specifically. Or top tier Republican fundraisers. Or...

I see...so we should "reserve judgement" about Heinz-Kerry but condemn the Bush administration. All based on accusations from the other side. Mark, can you say "double standard"? There, I knew you could. :roll:

Mark, I do hope you're pulling our legs.

If not, you really should be ashamed of yourself. Honestly.