Council Meeting last night?

[kellyc]

ANy thoughts on it? I would say kudos to Jennifer to catching on to the property near the Town Center Park. From the presentation given last night it appeared they were gonna give that land to be used for low/moderate income housing. Jennifer wisely pointed out that the land around the park should be open to the market as it would become desirable. Very smart on her part. I would say she gets the award for best catch last night.


Kelly

[Wuptdo]

I still don't understand why we even need low-income housing in Cary for. That is why we have Raleigh, Durham, Garner, and Holly Springs. I have seen too many times in the past how when government tires to do these low-income projects, it becomes the area drug dealing/high crime area. We don't need that in Cary! Isn't that why TTA exists?

Wuptdo B-)

[kellyc]

Wop

I dont think we need it either. However in downtown Cary it does exsist. And the point of the rehabilitiation is to offer loans to improve some of the run down homes. For example the town is giving habitiat for humanity 100 thousand plus to buy and repair a burned out triplex on Waldo Road. Im sure they will treat it the same way as they would any habitiat home. That is a good use of funds as it gets rid of a burned out structure and gets some people into homes.

I dont think you will see any of our council people supporting sec. 8 housing as the hispanic group appeared to want to do.


Kelly

[Don]

I would like to Thank Jennifer as well. Nels and a few others made some good points too and staff seemed to get the message.

Many seem to forget, we already have a TON of affordable housing downtown already. Why bring in more? Focus on either rehabilitating existing homes/neighborhoods and infrastructure.

The last thing I or anyone else here wants to see is more low income housing dowtown. Jens point of mixing it throughout the town was right on target. However, if there was a real market for it in Cary, it would come here without the town's help.....so maybe their isn't much of a market here for it? Just a thought.

When the park is completed, the surrounding land (IF ACQUIRED PROPERLY AND ETHICALLY) should be reserved for business and or moderate to upscale housing. Again, Kudos to Jen for realizing this.

[Don]

An example of "desired" development downtown would be The Townes of Madison (I think that's what it's called). It is a 50 or so unit townhome development being built behind my shop on Madison Ave. While still in the construction phase, they look very nice and have an upscale appearance to them - they even include a garage. Price range is about $160,000 and you also get a great view of Frantz Automotive!!! What more could you ask for? :wink: There is also a townhome development coming in on 54 and I believe those are selling for around $120,000 and appear very nice also.

Anyways, $120,000 - $160,000 to me (maybe not to everyone) is relatively "affordable" for new construction. It will "hopefully" bring in some more quality residents to downtown while NOT bringing in more crime. Downtown is one of the 3 crime hot-spots in Cary and doesn't need any more fuel added to the fire.

[Cathy]

What's with all the townhomes? You'd think there was a slump in the demand for single family homes or something.
Is all this multi-unit residential construction really a reflection of the market?

Cathy

[kellyc]

I think Condo's and Townhouses are becoming popular because of the lack of yard responsibilities and outdoor maintenance upkeep. I've seen several stories..although I cant remember specifics where the condo and townhouse markets have either caught up or bypassed the single family home markets. I'll keep looking for the links

Kelly

[Wuptdo]

It is a matter of what young people can afford and what "older" people want. Given the price of single family homes these days and the fact that overhaul salaries are going down, five four and a door on .25 acres is a thing of the past era. It is a new world out there people - wake up!

What every happened to the multi-generation housing? What every happened to the good ole' days where grandparents raised the children and the parents only had to worry about work. What every happened to the neighborhood bar/tavern? Our we (middle-aged adults) leaving a better world for our children? Food for thought!

Wuptdo B-)

[johnb]

While still in the construction phase, they look very nice and have an upscale appearance to them - they even include a garage. Price range is about $160,000 and you also get a great view of Frantz Automotive!!! What more could you ask for?

Wait til the new owners start screaming at the city council to clean up that eyesore called Frantz Automotive. How long do you think it'll take before the new residents start screaming at city council about the sight and sound of auto repair shops nearby?

It's no different than those idiots in that story about the residential neighborhood near the planned 540 segment near Morrisville.

Stupid people buy into an area then start squealing like a sow in heat about other people's property. Don, two years after the last unit is sold I wouldn't be suprrised to hear that some gaggle of idiots from there is running to hte city council proposing "moderate" improvements/changes (paid for by you of course) to appease their demands.

[kellyc]

Betcha they start with noise complaints.

Kelly

[Don]

While still in the construction phase, they look very nice and have an upscale appearance to them - they even include a garage. Price range is about $160,000 and you also get a great view of Frantz Automotive!!! What more could you ask for?

Wait til the new owners start screaming at the city council to clean up that eyesore called Frantz Automotive. How long do you think it'll take before the new residents start screaming at city council about the sight and sound of auto repair shops nearby?

It's no different than those idiots in that story about the residential neighborhood near the planned 540 segment near Morrisville.

Stupid people by into an area then start squealing like a sow in heat about other people's property. Don, two years after the last unit is sold I wouldn't be suprrised to hear that some gaggle of idiots from there is running to hte city council proposing "moderate" improvements/changes (paid for by you of course) to appease their demands.

Oh I've already thought about that. But I think they would probably complain about the train first. The tracks separate the two of us, and with TTA coming, a train every 15 minutes will probably be more annoying than I will be.....as far as noise anyways.

We have steadily been making improvements to our facility as finances allow and this year we will be trying to screen the back of the shop, mainly for security purposes, but to also help hide us from those who don't think an auto shop is an appealing site. (ya, I know, who wouldn't want to look at the back of my shop all day? It's beautiful! Well It's a better view than the dump at least!) :wink:

Everyone downtown needs to do their part to be good neighbors. I care about my business and my property and am working hard to improve it. Hopefully others notice and our business continues to thrive because of it. If 50 new residents behind me like me, I might get 50 new customers. Maybe if everyone else downtown felt this way, some wouldn't feel the "need" to kick us out?

[Wuptdo]

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Based on numeous complaints about the "quality of life" being lowered in Cary, Cary TC ordered staff to write up some ordenences to deal with citizens complaints. The two primary complaints were loud motor vehicles (stero systems & mufflers) and noise from tools that run on air compressors. One council member mentioned it is not only for the neighbors, but the employees that have to work in unhealthy environments. According to OSHA(bs), at 100 yeard, a typical air drill used in a auto repair business, carries 87 db. A very unhealthy situation for these workers. Cary is going to take a leadership role.........


(Wavey text, wavey text, Cary present, Cary present, wavey text)

Wuptdo B-)

[Don]

Luv ya Wup! :wink:

[Don]

(Wavey text, more wavey text, Cary's future, Cary's future, wavey)

Based on numeous complaints about the "quality of life" being lowered in Cary, Cary TC ordered staff to write up some ordenences to deal with citizens complaints. The two primary complaints were loud motor vehicles (stero systems & mufflers) and noise from tools that run on air compressors. One council member mentioned it is not only for the neighbors, but the employees that have to work in unhealthy environments. According to OSHA(bs), at 100 yeard, a typical air drill used in a auto repair business, carries 87 db. A very unhealthy situation for these workers. Cary is going to take a leadership role.........


(Wavey text, wavey text, Cary present, Cary present, wavey text)

Wuptdo B-)

Hey, I heard something about banning big guys with pony-tails. You heard anything about this? :wink:

[Wuptdo]

Don wrote:

Hey, I heard something about banning big guys with pony-tails. You heard anything about this?
_________________
Don Frantz

ROFL - good one Don!

Wuptdo B-)

[Cathy]

I still don't understand why we even need low-income housing in Cary for. That is why we have Raleigh, Durham, Garner, and Holly Springs. I have seen too many times in the past how when government tires to do these low-income projects, it becomes the area drug dealing/high crime area. We don't need that in Cary! Isn't that why TTA exists?

Wuptdo B-)

There is a very good book on safe urban planning design written by Oscar Newman, called "Creating Defensible Space". It spells out all of the usual design features that are commonly used in "affordable housing" that encourages crime and decay. It lays out the key design principals that discourage neglect and the tendency to invite crime.
You can find the information at his website;
http://www.defensiblespace.com/start.htm
If Cary wants to keep it's 'low crime' status, the citizens might want to be sure to give Council some input on the type of affordable housing they develop.
TTA is going to bring you the TRAIN and with it the push to build very high density housing near the station in Cary and other stops. The Town of Cary is in for some very radical changes if TTA and the Planners get their way!

Cathy