Robinson Campaign Mailers

[dhyatt]

Robinson Mailers #1 & #2
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[Dharma]

That hurts my neck. Hurts my head, too.

She makes herself look like this sweet, warm, wonderful little Mommy when, in fact, we all remember her ACTIONS at a certain CTC meeting where she shook her finger and told people not to speak out in a public meeting...as her face contorted into a perfect imitation of Cruella DaVille.

Please don't forget that and don't let this sweet little campaign flyer fool you.

She's a beotch who thinks she's better than everyone else and the Cary citizens NEED TO KNOW that!

[Cathy]

I agree.

100%

She was showing her snippy side at the forum debate, too.

Cathy

[Dharma]

Don could you engage CPTEPN on this campaign flyer?

I would if I could but I don't control the machine.

[Tonya]

Somebody help me out here. How do city council members bring schools in? I thought the county was responsible for schools?

Ms. Robinson does look awfully sweet, though.

I especially like the part about planning for balanced growth. Does balance mean keeping the public art and dog parks in Cary while sending the waste to other parts of the county? Or maybe it means helping out those who are "looking for patrons" (her words, not mine) while chastising those who are "seeking fairness" (my words, not hers).

Politics. Ya gotta love it.

[dhyatt]

Don could you engage CPTEPN on this campaign flyer?

I would if I could but I don't control the machine.

Dharma,
I'll be happy to do it for all them after the election. It's not really appropriate for me to do it until then. And it should certainly be an entertaining thing to do! :-)

[Brent]

Anyone else notice that Curran's, Robinson's and Stangler's mailers all look nearly exactly the same? Where's JohnB and his "coordinated campaign" conspiracy theories when you need him?

Question of the day: how much did each of these mailers cost?

[bobo]

Tonya wrote:

I especially like the part about planning for balanced growth. Does balance mean keeping the public art and dog parks in Cary while sending the waste to other parts of the county? Or maybe it means helping out those who are "looking for patrons" (her words, not mine) while chastising those who are "seeking fairness" (my words, not hers).

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ROTFLMAO. You're killing me Tonya! :-D >:D<

Dharma wrote:

She's a beotch b-(

Here Dharma, this is for you: @};- :* Now give me a great big >:D< because you said what I was thinking, but was afraid to say! :-D

[kellyc]

Somebody help me out here. How do city council members bring schools in? I thought the county was responsible for schools?

Im not so sure you guys are intrested in the truth or just calling people names and slinging mud, but in this case Jennifer worked with the developers to donate the land at a significantly reduced cost to the school system for Carpenter Elementary.

"On January 13, 2003 , Cary approved the plan for the Carpenter Elementary School to be located on 23.77 acres in the northwest corner of the intersection of Morrisville Parkway and Louis Stephens Road . W & W Partners has provided the staff with a copy of a Certificate of Appraisal, prepared by Williams Appraisers, Inc., which established the value of the school property at $2,500,000. W & W Partners also provided a copy of a signed sales contract with the Wake County Board of Education, which indicates that the school property was sold to Wake County Board of Education for $751,222. W & W Partners requests that the remaining value of the Carpenter Village Elementary School site amounting to $1,748,778 be applied to any future areas of residential development within the current boundaries of the Planned Development to meet the Town’s Schools APF. "

[Tonya]

Im not so sure you guys are intrested in the truth or just calling people names and slinging mud, but in this case Jennifer worked with the developers to donate the land at a significantly reduced cost to the school system for Carpenter Elementary.



Kelly, although I was obviously having a bit of fun at Ms. Robinson's expense, my question about the schools was sincere, so thanks for your reply. I noticed a mention of schools on another of the flyers as well.

Too bad Ms. Robinson and some other members of the CTC and TOC staff aren't interested in working with New Hill residents, Wake County, Progress Energy, etc. to get land at a reduced cost for the sewage plant.

[Dharma]

Im not so sure you guys are intrested in the truth or just calling people names and slinging mud, but in this case Jennifer worked with the developers to donate the land at a significantly reduced cost to the school system for Carpenter Elementary.

Kelly, with all due respect, the truth is right here on THIS website. In my post, I only referred to her unprofessional behavior and how it's not synonymous with her campaign flyer. I wasn't at the famed CTC meetings but I got see her antics right here at Carypolitics.org. If she wants respect, she must first SHOW RESPECT for all those around her. And if she were my friend, I would, honestly, tell her that she must, at least, sincerely pretend to be a nice person in public if she wants to get re-elected. Those campaign flyers are portraying a nice, girl next-door, "do the right thing" kind of woman and - from what I've seen - it ain't so!

"When someone shows you who they really are, BELIEVE them."
-Oprah Winfrey-

[kellyc]

If she wants respect, she must first SHOW RESPECT for all those around her. And if she were my friend, I would, honestly, tell her that she must, at least, sincerely pretend to be a nice person in public if she wants to get re-elected. Those campaign flyers are portraying a nice, girl next-door, "do the right thing" kind of woman and - from what I've seen - it ain't so!

"When someone shows you who they really are, BELIEVE them."
-Oprah Winfrey-

Im curious does the same concept the apply to you? You called her I believe a "She's a beotch... "Is that the respect you show to people that you want respect from?

I will add this...the people that I know that have their hearts vested in both campaigns have kept the campaigns to the issues. Even Brent's LTE was very issue oriented, which is exactly where it should be. My hat's off to those on the Yerha campaign.

[Dharma]

Im curious does the same concept the apply to you? You called her I believe a "She's a beotch... "Is that the respect you show to people that you want respect from?
I will add this...the people that I know that have their hearts vested in both campaigns have kept the campaigns to the issues. Even Brent's LTE was very issue oriented, which is exactly where it should be. My hat's off to those on the Yerha campaign.

1. I am not running for office. As a private citizen, I have the right to call her behavior as I see it. I do not want nor do I need her respect. She has shown ZERO respect for her own constituents at public forums (see previous posts on this thread) yelling at them and saying they were only at the CTC meeting looking for patrons (and certainly not there looking for fairness, right?).

2. Her own campaign flyer says she is willing to listen to people. She's making that an issue and therefore, it IS worth pointing out that that would be a lie as she has shown us she's NOT WILLING to listen! Do you want a person who treats others fairly, with kindness and respect as your council person or the REAL Jennifer Robinson?

3. I believe we agreed on another thread that people usually have no idea who or what they're voting for because they've been DUPED into voting on one issue. My case and point with Ms. Robinson is that her "patrons" will probably vote for her because they received that "sweet, little flyer" and will buy the artificial sweetener (which is poisonous) she's pedaling on voting day. At least saccharin has warning labels.

[kellyc]

1. I am not running for office. As a private citizen, I have the right to call her behavior as I see it. I do not want nor do I need her respect. She has shown ZERO respect for her own constituents at public forums (see previous posts on this thread) yelling at them and saying they were only at the CTC looking for patrons (and certainly not there looking for fairness, right?).

Technically you are incorrect. She didnt snap at her constituents...she snapped at the New Hill folks. ;-)

2. Her own campaign flyer says she is willing to listen to people. She's making that an issue and therefore, this IS one of the issues. Do you want a person who treats others fairly, with kindness and respect as your council person or.....?

Just because a person does not vote the way you want them too, does not mean they are not listening to them. In most every vote they make, someone is going to walk away unhappy with how they voted. Jennifer snapped and it was wrong. We have all snapped at times and regretted it. She's in a public office and is paying more dearly for it than most of us ever would. It goes with the territory.

When it comes to constituents she was one of 3 council people to stand against the Turner Creek development, which will have a direct impact on them. Seems to me she did exactly what you/they asked of her. She has done a tremendous amount for her constituents. In fact in another thread, Jennifer is the ONLY council person to have sent her emails to the New Hill folks for the public records request.

3. I believe we agreed on another thread that people usually have no idea who or what they're voting for because they've been DUPED into voting on one issue.

Seems to me you have based your opinion/been duped on Mrs Robinson off of one issue and you have no idea what she has or hasnt done. You havent taken the time to educate yourself on the candidates.

[Dharma]

Seems to me you have based your opinion on Mrs Robinson off of one issue and you have no idea what she has or hasnt done. You havent taken the time to educate yourself on the candidates.

OK, fair enough. You got me there. Since you support her, I'm sincerely asking you to educate me on her selling points. I'm willing listen.

[kellyc]

To start of with she initiated the Northwest and Southwest Area plans...which should provide some kind of foot print for the area as development continues to bombard that area. She has fought (much to the dislike of town staff) to push for open space and to retain as much of a rural character (especially in the Southwest Area Plan) as possible.

She's also the one that got the new Western Wake Library into district A.

She came up with the idea to loan the state DOT money to expand 55, so they could expand it now instead of when the DOT wanted to. (That benefits us all, not just district A). Nearly every major road in her district is being expanded.

There is one other time I remember Jennifer snapped at a council meeting. It was when Glen L*ang (in the midst of his conflict of intrest issue) stepped all over her, and she ripped him a new one telling him to let her finish her statement. Sometimes its a matter of which side you are on if its a good snap or a bad snap.

[Dharma]

Just because a person does not vote the way you want them too, does not mean they are not listening to them. In most every vote they make, someone is going to walk away unhappy with how they voted.

It isn't how she votes that concerns me right now..

Jennifer snapped and it was wrong. We have all snapped at times and regretted it. She's in a public office and is paying more dearly for it than most of us ever would. It goes with the territory.

You have a good point here. You can probably tell that one of my shortcomings is the innate ability to get snappy. I far exceed my quota each day. Sometimes I lie awake at night painfully recounting each of the many times in the day I messed up. Seriously.
However, the difference is that I can honestly say that even though I have a spitfire temper and quick tongue, I KNOW I would hold it in a public forum if I were a councilman. Why? Because it would be recorded somewhere, because hords of people would know the real me and it would show incredible disdain for the people attending the meeting.
That's why I have a problem with Jennifer. She has the right to vent to you or others in private. However, as Councilwoman, she does NOT have the right to treat citizens as if they are beneath her.

Dharma

[Dharma]

There is one other time I remember Jennifer snapped at a council meeting. It was when Glen he-who-shall-not-be-named (in the midst of his conflict of intrest issue) stepped all over her, and she ripped him a new one telling him to let her finish her statement. Sometimes its a matter of which side you are on if its a good snap or a bad snap.

Kelly, when you are a Town Councilwoman, NO snap is good. When one holds public office, their behavior and public (and probably private) communication should be beyond reproach. Yes, constituents can be a**holes but it's her job to keep her composure. What worries me is that if she thinks she can treat people this way in public, what the hell is she doing in private?

Thank you for telling me about her successes. It does seem she's done some good deeds for Cary. If she gets re-elected, I hope she can continue to do them but with kinder, gentler behavior.

[kellyc]

It isn't how she votes that concerns me right now..



WHAT???Thats what we elect her for: to vote ...Ultimately thats what it is all about.


However, the difference is that I can honestly say that even though I have a spitfire temper and quick tongue, I KNOW I would hold it in a public forum if I were a councilman. Why? Because it would be recorded somewhere, because hords of people would know the real me and it would show incredible disdain for the people attending the meeting.
That's why I have a problem with Jennifer. She has the right to vent to you or others in private. However, as Councilwoman, she does NOT have the right to treat citizens as if they are beneath her.

She's human...and the decision emotionally impacted her significantly..which is what we all saw.

[kellyc]

Kelly, when you are a Town Councilwoman, NO snap is good. When one holds public office, their behavior and public (and probably private) communication should be beyond reproach. Yes, constituents can be a**holes but it's her job to keep her composure. What worries me is that if she thinks she can treat people this way in public, what the hell is she doing in private?

You have no idea what you are talking about. If you did, you would know Glen L*ang was our mayor, and that Jennifer was well within her right to snap at him.

[Dharma]

You have no idea what you are talking about. If you did, you would know Glen he-who-shall-not-be-named was our mayor, and that Jennifer was well within her right to snap at him.

I do know the story. Now we have THREE times she's lost her cool in public. Another post speaks of her snippy bahavior at a public forum - different from the CTC meeting June. 3 times (that we know of). All I'm saying is that she has a history of snapping at people in public. Not good.

As far as her voting record goes, I'll leave this to the CP members who've been directly impacted by her votes. It doesn't smell good either.

[kellyc]

You have no idea what you are talking about. If you did, you would know Glen L*ang was our mayor, and that Jennifer was well within her right to snap at him.

I do know the story. Now we have THREE times she's lost her cool in public. Another post speaks of her snippy bahavior at a public forum - different from the CTC meeting June. 3 times (that we know of). All I'm saying is that she has a history of snapping at people in public. Not good.


No you dont or you wouldnt be making these statements. You must not have seen the meeting in Youngsville.

As far as her voting record goes, I'll leave this to the CP members who've been directly impacted by her votes. It doesn't smell good either.

Why is that? you just said " Thank you for telling me about her successes. It does seem she's done some good deeds for Cary..."

[Lisa]

Cool - a cat fight....

:lol:

For all you Newbies – Jennifer was not elected to office – she was put in but Mayor Lang. Mayor L picked her because she was harmless. She came with no history, no experience, and came off as the perfect soft spoken housewife. Someone he felt people could relate to, kind of like a Labrador Retriever. In that sense Mayor L was smart, he spent the next five years with the perfect lap dog. He gave her suggestions to work each project and his agenda items; she did it without a word. The Library, the NW and SW Plan, the Cary Money for DOT Roads, were never her ideas nor were that created by her. ( Kind of like Julie Robison taking credit for Mayor Koka's econmoic development initiatives during the Glenaire forum) He made her into his perfect council person. She was given tasks and like a good dog, she obeyed her master. Then she went on to be elected for the first time. Well, as a result of winning the seat and Julie coming on board, Marla saw this as an opportunity to try to gain power from the Mayor. They all started digging after all they wanted to get back at him for no allowing them to do what they wanted to do. So they spent more time researching how to get him then they did on working on a plan to make Cary better. After 15 months of digging they finally found something. Then Jennifer saw her moment to be free from her master - and bit the hand that fed her.

The moral is, once a dog starts biting, he/she will bite again, even a loyal dog can turn on you.

BTW – if you read the Cary News - the reason everyone’s mailers look the same is because they all hired campaign consultants and that is a standard mailer that gets results…in this case that will probably backfire. Campaign consultants? Spend over the amount of money for a job that doesn’t pay that much……in my book that is a simple equation of cost value and loss. No wonder they spend money like they don’t have it.

PS: Don - you been reading too much Harry Potter haven't you??

[kellyc]

For the newbies I cant describe it any better than JohnB



Like the old Arrowsmith album, Night in the Ruts/Right in the Nuts Ken goes for the jugular, his own. The reason Ken hates Jennifer is GLang had allegedly promised to appoint HIM to the council. Well, Clubber GLang may have been an unethical thug, well, not may have been, certainly was, but he wasn't friggin' INSANE.

Lisa is Ken's Wife.

[Lisa]

Yup - I am what I am.

I was only showing history to people like you who I know were not there; what appears to be one thing is actually something else.

I only speak of the truth and the facts. People only attack the turth because they don't like it. They call you nuts, they threaten you, they make fun of you, they say hurtful un-true things. They do everything in their power to silence you.

Geez, matter of fact the way you go after Dharma, you must have a problem with strong, beautiful, intelligent women in general. Such is life!

Be a nice little kitty and go hunt some mice elsewhere. Meow....


:wink: :lol:

[kellyc]

Geez, matter of fact the way you go after Dharma, you must have a problem with strong, beuatiful, intelligent women in general. Such is life!

Be a nice little kitty and go hunt some mice elsewhere. Meow....


:wink: :lol:


What ever floats your boat. Besides why would I want to shut you up. Where is the fun in that?..you cant make this stuff up...It's worth the price of admission.

[Wuptdo]

Lisa wrote:
Cool - a cat fight....

To be honest, I enjoy the banter between the women much more than the guys. The writing can get as cool as a katana sword cut across silk.
Alas, instead of sitting back with a tall glass of Gentlemen Jim, I have to pack for parents weekend at WCU.

To quote the most influential woman of the 21st Century, Paris Hilton:
"That's so Hot!

Wuptdo :wink:

[kellyc]

yeah we girls have the best of both worlds.....if we get too cagey we simply describe ourselves as "hormonal".

Anyway...here's all you wanted to know about the Vrana's. John's comments are in black.

http://www.blogomonster.com/johnb/27558/

But KEN! - 11:48 PM, 9/27/2005
Oh yeah, the LTE's are hilarious. People convinced that JUILEFORCARY! is worred about roads when she's blowing money on everything but, people who stand to benefit financially from her presence on the council telling the rest of us to vote for her because she's responsible with our tax money, oh, the hilarity of it all.

It was topped.

Hyatt is gonna kick me in the kneecaps for this one.

So any absurd situation can always be made dumber with a cameo by Ken Vrana.

Oh sweet Geezus, he struck like lightening!



First, what many Cary voters may not know, is that his opponent, Jennifer Robinson, was initially not elected to the council by the people of Cary, but in fact a political appointee, courtesy of Mayor Glen L@ng.



Like the old Aerosmith album, Night in the Ruts/Right in the Nuts Ken goes for the jugular, his own. The reason Ken hates Jennifer is L@ng had allegedly promised to appoint HIM to the council. Well, Clubber L@ng may have been an unethical thug, well, not may have been, certainly was, but he wasn't friggin' INSANE.

She had no political experience and her appointment was truly baffling.

I didn't want to tell you this Ken, but actually, Sir Paul McCartney phoned Clubber L@ng and recommended Jennifer for the position.


Most egregiously, however, Mrs. Robinson has displayed an arrogance toward the very voters who placed her in office and her repeated public outbursts are both embarrassing and unprofessional.

Oh sweet Geezus, are you F'ing kidding me? She's kissed more *** in District A than is polite to enumerate. The woman tried to get some stupid public "art" work budgeted for a damned bridge because the snobs in her district would be offended by plain bridges I guess. The people she's angered are NEW HILL RESIDENTS and Democrats like Ed and Julie who are turning this "non-partisan" race into Julie's second grab for the Mayor's chair. Pull your head, well I don't know Ken and I'm afraid to guess, but get sober. I don't like Jennifer's politics much. She is too much a process politician. McCuiston has his face on milk cartons. Yerha, is a tool for the hard left. You, Ken, were an ally of L@ng and you remain on the leftwing of whatever looney bird or vulture you were stapled to.

I blame Hyatt for my having been exposed to you on CaryPolitics. He'll do anything to keep you off city council. You really need to call him and give him a piece of your mind if you can spare it. He's also dying to see your documentaries on Elvis, McCartney, and Breast Cancer.

Ken Vrana

Cary



And some distant planet, far away, where Clubber L@ng honors his promises.

[Lisa]

I blame Hyatt for my having been exposed to you on CaryPolitics. He'll do anything to keep you off city council. You really need to call him and give him a piece of your mind if you can spare it. He's also dying to see your documentaries on Elvis, McCartney, and Breast Cancer.



Thanks for the plug!

Snow Angels can be purchased for $29.99 DVD and $24.99. This sotry is a year in the life of 3 NC women who struggle with breast cancer. The film is dedicated to the life of Linda McCartney and is being consider for cable distribution with Discovery Health Channel.

Tribute - Remembrances of the King
(As seen on WRAL in August 05) is a 13 hour documenatary on people's love and recollections of Elvis Presley. Pre-order are being taken. Commercial Release (2 hours) in 2006.

Need I remind you that John is not taking items from a recent post - it was from a old post - many moons ago...John is having fun....that is what bloogers do, edit and create to start rumors and inquires - DUH. Edited version, add comments and stir = make it looks like we are nuts - good job John! I am honor beyond belief - you still love us! :-D

Oooo just found a mouse running across the floor got to go!

[dhyatt]

Cool - a cat fight....

[snip]

PS: Don - you been reading too much Harry Potter haven't you??

Guilty as charged!!! I've been waiting for a month for somebody to post Lang's name :-)

[Dharma]

No you dont or you wouldnt be making these statements. You must not have seen the meeting in Youngsville.

Nope. Didn't see it in Youngsville. Although I have a Youngsville address, I live nowhere near Youngsville. Secondly (and most importantly) I OWN property in Cary and parts of South Raleigh that are soon to be annexed by Cary. That would be my "cat" in the fight.

[kellyc]

No you dont or you wouldnt be making these statements. You must not have seen the meeting in Youngsville.

Nope. Didn't see it in Youngsville. Although I have a Youngsville address, I live nowhere near Youngsville. Secondly (and most importantly) I OWN property in Cary and parts of South Raleigh that are soon to be annexed by Cary. That would be my "cat" in the fight.

Im not a fan of forced annexation at all but, Im not sure I understand...How can Cary annex property that is in already in Cary or in South Raleigh municipality? Did you mean it's in Wake county, but has a billing address in South Raleigh/Cary? If that is the case...it should be extremely important to you how council people in Cary vote as it has a direct impact on you and your finances.

[Dharma]

I've been waiting for a month for somebody to post he-who-shall-not-be-named's name

Ahhhh, Come on YOU muggle! Can't we all just SAY..

VOLDERMORT!!!!

Speaking of which, I have a great bumper sticker that says:

REPUBLICANS FOR VOLDERMORT

[kellyc]

I've been waiting for a month for somebody to post he-who-shall-not-be-named's name

Ahhhh, Come on YOU muggle! Can't we all just SAY..

VOLDERMORT!!!!

Speaking of which, I have a great bumper sticker that says:

REPUBLICANS FOR VOLDERMORT

Do they come with chocolate covered frogs?

[dhyatt]

I've been waiting for a month for somebody to post he-who-shall-not-be-named's name

Ahhhh, Come on YOU muggle! Can't we all just SAY..

VOLDERMORT!!!!

Speaking of which, I have a great bumper sticker that says:

REPUBLICANS FOR VOLDERMORT

Now that's just plain ornery ;-)

I'll answer that challenge with "Democrats for S.P.E.W." :-)

[kellyc]

I've been waiting for a month for somebody to post he-who-shall-not-be-named's name

Ahhhh, Come on YOU muggle! Can't we all just SAY..

VOLDERMORT!!!!

Speaking of which, I have a great bumper sticker that says:

REPUBLICANS FOR VOLDERMORT

Now that's just plain ornery ;-)

I'll answer that challenge with "Democrats for S.P.E.W." :-)

Dont know Hyatt...I think you'd be hard pressed to find many Republicans that had a clue what you are talking about. The irony of it, is that Lang is a registered democrat.

[Dharma]

Geez, matter of fact the way you go after Dharma, you must have a problem with strong, beautiful, intelligent women in general. Such is life!

Be a nice little kitty and go hunt some mice elsewhere. Meow....

ROFL! You remind me of Glenda the Good Witch of the North floating in and telling the WW of the West to run away before that house falls on her!!!

Toto and I thank you.

Dorothy

[kellyc]

Geez, matter of fact the way you go after Dharma, you must have a problem with strong, beautiful, intelligent women in general. Such is life!

Be a nice little kitty and go hunt some mice elsewhere. Meow....

ROFL! You remind me of Glenda the Good Witch of the North floating in and telling the WW of the West to run away before that house falls on her!!!

Toto and I thank you.

Dorothy

Frantz and Dave were right...your true colors shine every time you post...but hey my hubby would be a wealthy person. Shoot that would work out to be a double indemity...if that is spelled right...but you still didnt answer my question above.

[Dharma]

Frantz and Dave were right...your true colors shine every time you post.

My "totally dense" colors must shine too because I don't get this.
Don't all of our true colors shine every time we post? I have nothing to hide and freely admit my colors are shining through.

Hmmm. Reminds me of a Cindy Lauper song....

I see your true colors - that's why I love you........

[kellyc]

I see your true colors - that's why I love you........

Thanks....I knew you'd come around. Before long I'll have you singing the praises of Jennifer...just kidding :-D :-D

[Dharma]

Thanks....I knew you'd come around. Before long I'll have you singing the praises of Jennifer...just kidding :-D :-D

I'll make you a deal: You get Jen to come clean about the dirtiness of the CTC as per the New Hill waste dump and I'll sing her praises at Cary Town Hall. Hell, I'll even campaign for her.

[kellyc]

Thanks....I knew you'd come around. Before long I'll have you singing the praises of Jennifer...just kidding :-D :-D

I'll make you a deal: You get Jen to reverse her vote on the New Hill waste dump and I'll sing her praises at Cary Town Hall. Hell, I'll even campaign for her.

Im not God...nor do I take deals I cant deliver on. She voted what she thought was right and there isnt a council meeting between now and the October election. She should stand on her voting record - good or bad. That to me is what an election for an incumbant is about.

[Brent]

She came up with the idea to loan the state DOT money to expand 55, so they could expand it now instead of when the DOT wanted to.

Well, you did do a nice job of repeating what the mailer said.

Unfortunately, the town's official meeting minutes and the recollections of people who know indicate that this clearly was Glen Lang's idea, not Jennifer's. I'm sure there are people who believe this claim, though.

She should stand on her voting record - good or bad. That to me is what an election for an incumbant is about.

Now THAT I agree with.

[kellyc]

Well, you did do a nice job of repeating what the mailer said.


I did help her write the mailer...I guess the words are stuck in my head.

Brent wrote:
Unfortunately, the town's official meeting minutes and the recollections of people who know indicate that this clearly was Glen he-who-shall-not-be-named's idea, not Jennifer's. I'm sure there are people who believe this claim, though. .

You may very well be right Brent. My choice of words not hers.
From what I can see in the town's website in the official minutes...the first mention of it is in 1998 at a round table by Glen. I stand corrected

[dhyatt]

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[Dharma]

Nice job Don.
It helps my neck but did nothing to help the headache or the nausea it gives me.

[kellyc]

Nice job Don.
It helps my neck but did nothing to help the headache or the nausea it gives me.

Rum might help...But Dharma you never answered my question about your property

[StanN]

Can anyone explain to me how Jennifer Robinson can take credit for all those road improvement projects when she voted for the McAlister budget to cut road expenditures 70% and supported the recent budget with insufficient priority for roads.

Her voting record and priorities are entirely inconsistent with her claims.

Can anyone tell me of an example where her vote showed any initiative on a major issue to go counter to the leaderships direction...be the leader named Ernie or Glen. Have their been any major initiatives which she brought to the council table?

stan

[kellyc]

Im curious Stan...do you hold Julie to the same bar..since she too cut the same spending or just the people you dont like. Will you be voting for Mike Curran now? Shall I look for you on the Mike Joyce re-election campaign as he is the ONLY one to vote against a budget in the last 2 years?

Perhaps we NEEDED to reduce funding to prevent a tax increase? Just as we NEEDED to increase debt service to pay for roads (the 670% Mike Curran refers to).

Wait till the crap hits the ceiling in 2007..when not only will there be a crappy budget to deal with, but our homes get reevaluated too...In an election year no less.

[StanN]

Kelly,

Answer my questions and I'll answer yours.

stan

[StanN]

P.S.

You mean you dont believe Mike Joyce when he says he is a one termer?

stan

[kellyc]

Kelly,

Answer my questions and I'll answer yours.

stan

I dont believe you will. But I'll give it a shot. She was invloved with the 55 widening and floating a loan..There's debate as to who's idea it was...but ultimately they got it done. Many of her roads in her district are being worked on... I think her voting record has been extremely consistent with her claims. As for going against the grain...short term memory is that she did vote against the Turner Creek Project( 4-3 vote)......small to us...huge to the folks impacted by it.

[kellyc]

P.S.

You mean you dont believe Mike Joyce when he says he is a one termer?

stan

I hope not. He is in the beginning stages of getting a Cary/Western Wake Boys and Girls Club started. I think a lot of it will revolve around whether the Western Wake GOP continues its self destruction or not.

For example I had a discussion at the WWGOP with one of the people that is running a challangers campaign(not ed's). I told the person I was impressed with Curt Stangler...they told me they didnt care about education. That they weren't paid to care about the board of education. Once I picked mine and my hubby's jaw up from the ground...I just shook my head.

[Laurie]

She was invloved with the 55 widening and floating a loan..There's debate as to who's idea it was...
This is quite different from what you posted last night and have since removed. You agreed with Brent that the minutes reflected that it was Mayor Glen's idea and that you stood corrected. This was one of the most honest and forthright statements made in this election season and it was very refreshing. Now it's gone.

[kellyc]

Sorry Laurie I meant to add it to a post..rather than make two posts and went off to make a phone call......I added it back..My bad 100%

And here is what I said:

Brent wrote:
Unfortunately, the town's official meeting minutes and the recollections of people who know indicate that this clearly was Glen he-who-shall-not-be-named's idea, not Jennifer's. I'm sure there are people who believe this claim, though.


You may very well be right Brent. My choice of words not hers.
From what I can see in the town's website in the official minutes...the first mention of it is in 1998 at a round table by Glen. I stand corrected.

[Laurie]

I applaud you, Kelly. =D>

[bobo]

Laurie wrote:

This is quite different from what you posted last night and have since removed. You agreed with Brent that the minutes reflected that it was Mayor Glen's idea and that you stood corrected. This was one of the most honest and forthright statements made in this election season and it was very refreshing. Now it's gone.


Kelly has a habit of editing her own post frequently. Nothing personal Kelly, just commenting based on my own observations. :-D

I will say this though, it gets a little frustrating and embarrassing when you comment on a post to later find it gone or changed. An individual shouldn't be able to change or delete a post once it has received a response. Not directed at you specifically Kelly because your post may have been deleted before someone responded (I don't recall seeing the post). :wink:

[kellyc]

Kelly has a habit of editing her own post frequently. Nothing personal Kelly, just commenting based on my own observations. :-D



Guilty as charged..especially if I write something and sleep on it and come back and look at it again. Sometimes I will catch a spelling or grammer mistake. Sometimes Im trying to get a point out, and will come back with the links to back them up. Often times as I am rereading something it doesnt reflect exactly what I want it to say. I would disagree with not allowing people to edit their posts, even after they've been responded too..If someone points out where I goofed on a technical fact...I would rather go back and correct it, as opposed to having incorrect information floating out there.

However you cant delete a post yourself unless its the last post in the thread...once its replied to..you can only edit it...trust me..I've stuck my foot in my mouth enough to want to go back and delete them all and cant.

[Dharma]

Rum might help...But Dharma you never answered my question about your property.

Nope. I like Xanax and so should your friend. Perhaps if she popped a few before she went to a public forum, she'd be able to control her temper.

As for your question, I started to answer it yesterday and thought better of it as I don't want to discuss my personal business matters in a public forum. I can tell you this: sometimes developers build in Cary but get all of their building permits through Wake County. Once the last permit is pulled, Cary will then incorporate that neighborhood. I hope that quenches your thirst for knowledge.

[kellyc]

As for your question, I started to answer it yesterday and thought better of it as I don't want to discuss my personal business matters in a public forum. I can tell you this: sometimes developers build in Cary but get all of their building permits through Wake County. Once the last permit is pulled, Cary will then incorporate that neighborhood. I hope that quenches your thirst for knowledge.

Gotcha....my thirst for knowledge is never quinched...but in this thread it is!

[Brent]

You may very well be right Brent. My choice of words not hers.

Right. Actually, her choice of words was:

Jennifer Robinson conceived an innovative plan for Cary to loan NCDOT funds to expedite the improvement of Highway 55

From what I can see in the town's website in the official minutes...the first mention of it is in 1998 at a round table by Glen. I stand corrected

She was invloved with the 55 widening and floating a loan..There's debate as to who's idea it was

Just where is this debate? The town's meeting minutes indicate it was Glen's idea. Current and former council members indicate it was Glen's idea. Kelly apparently admits it's Glen's idea.

The only person who seems to be saying it's Jennifer's idea is Jennifer.

Some debate.

[StanN]

Glen offered up a lot of personal details on the Rt. 55 loan, under casual, non-campaign circumstances - enough so I beleeve he was the main mover and shaker on that deal. It sounds out of chracter for jennifer.

stan

[Brent]

The funds will be paid back to the Town with interest

According to budget statements I read, the Town of Cary is paying the debt service on this "loan" until project completion, expected in 2007. The cost to us is $1.3M. I couldn't find where it said we would be paid back "with interest" in the budget statement. Perhaps it's there, but I couldn't find it.

Anyone?

[StanN]

Kelly said,

Im curious Stan...do you hold Julie to the same bar..since she too cut the same spending or just the people you dont like. Will you be voting for Mike Curran now? Shall I look for you on the Mike Joyce re-election campaign as he is the ONLY one to vote against a budget in the last 2 years?

Yes, I cetainly do hold Julie to the same standards. If you go through my posts in this campaign you will be hard pressed to find one extolling Julie's accomplishments. I have blasted Curran who I think is unethical and would be a disaster for Cary. I will vote for Julie simply because I think she is the better of the two candidates that are running in earnest. Thats not to say I am thrilled with the idea.

Julie has moved too far to the right for me to be an enthusiast.

Julie's biggest initiative has been in the area of economic policy and economic development. She (unsuccesfully) fought Glen Lang to get this off the ground. The failure that Curran hangs around her neck is McAlister's and Lang's. I believe I know more of the details than most - its one area where Julie should be getting credit rather than the blame.

As to Mike Joyce's effort on the budget. I admire Mike's willingness to be a maverick and to vote his convictions. I agree with him on many, but not all of his critiques of Cary's spending priorities. I also believe his approach to cutting the budget was ineffective and doomed form the start. I hope he learns from his failure and does better next time. If he doesn't change his methods the results will be the same. None of this will come as a surprise to Mike.

In both of the above cases I am giving credit for failed efforrts. My support goes to those who try to do the right thing - not necessarily to those who succeed.

stan

[dhyatt]

Mailer #4 from the Jennifer Robinson campaign...
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[Dharma]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Please, I beg you, NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!!!

How much money is she throwing into her campaign, anyway!

[Brent]

Campaign finance reports are public records, available for viewing at the Wake Co. Board of Elections.

[visitor]

Jennifer Robinson sure was not compassionate and caring when she lashed out at the New Hill folks after we understood her to say, "I think putting a sewage plant in New Hill is a good thing."

If you have not heard the tongue lashing she gave us, you can listen to it at http://www.newhillca.org/ Scroll down the left hand side to Town Council Recordings then click on the Cary Town Council June 23 button.

A New Hill resident who is getting the royal flush from Jennifer Robinson, Mayor McAlister, and Marla Doral.

[bobo]

I think it's safe to say Jennifer Robinson is ONLY caring and compassionate when it suits her need and agenda. If you're on the opposite side of her cause she can be a vicious she wolf without a thread of compassion or understanding! From what I understand, she has shown her vicious side on more than one occasion. Such a trait may be considered good for a CEO, prison warden, NFL football player, soldier, etc., but I'm not sure it's appropriate for an elected public official. Just my opinion. :wink:

[Brent]

But she did get those 100-foot stream buffers in Cary. All by herself, apparently. :roll: