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kellyc
06-14-2004, 07:45 AM
This bothers me.

By MICHAEL EASTERBROOK, Staff Writer

Sara conquered limited English and homesickness for her native Mexico to become an outstanding student at her Raleigh high school. A quiet 17-year-old with jet-black hair, she graduated in May with solid grades and dreams of attending UNC-Chapel Hill.
Yet while many of her classmates can hardly wait to start college, Sara thinks of her future with dread. As an illegal immigrant, she fears she's more likely to find herself stuck behind the counter of a fast-food restaurant than studying at a university.

"I've worked hard to get good grades, and I haven't been lazy," said Sara, who like other students interviewed for this article didn't want her full name used for fear of deportation. "To see that because of some papers my education is going to come to an end, it makes me sad. I'm a person who likes to learn."

As many as 1,450 students who are undocumented (a term describing those residing in the country illegally) are graduating from North Carolina high schools this spring, according to an estimate from El Pueblo, a Raleigh-based Hispanic advocacy group. The Urban Institute, a Washington-based think tank, puts the nationwide number at 65,000.

State public universities don't accept applications from such students, said Bobby Kanoy, UNC-CH associate vice president for academic and student affairs.

They don't qualify for government grants and loans or many scholarships, either. Since most come from poor families, that means private universities are out of reach.

Federal lawmakers have proposed a bill known as the Dream Act, which would allow undocumented students to become legal residents and qualify for in-state tuition at public universities.

Groups opposed to large-scale immigration say the bill would reward illegal behavior; others believe it would benefit the students and the country.

"These students are our future teachers, our future leaders," said Melissa Lazarin, an education policy analyst at the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group in Washington. "Helping them will help us."

Sara grew up in Monterrey, in northern Mexico, where she attended a private school. Her father moved to Raleigh in 1995 in search of work. Sara, her younger sister and her mother followed three years later on tourist visas that later expired.

"It was difficult because I couldn't understand English," recalled Sara, who enrolled as a seventh-grader after arriving. Despite the language barrier, she finished middle school on schedule. She excelled in high school, earning praise from instructors.

"She's every teacher's dream," said Leigh Ann Frazier, who taught two of Sara's senior year classes. "She could compete in any top-notch school."

Sara says she scored 1100 on the SAT and applied to NCSU, UNC-CH and Peace College.

Neither of the two public universities approved her application. That's in keeping with a federal guideline that prevents admissions officers from processing applications from undocumented students, Kanoy said.

Peace College, which is private, sent her an acceptance letter. But the college's $17,000-a-year tuition is too much for Sara's family. Her mom isn't employed. Her dad earns about $23,000 a year from his jobs as a construction worker and as a mechanic.

Introduced by senators from both parties, the Dream Act would help undocumented students by making them eligible for legal residency after graduating from high school. That would allow them to apply to public universities.

The proposal, which cleared a Senate committee, would also allow states to offer in-state tuition rates to undocumented students.

Edwards a sponsor

One of the bill's 47 sponsors is Democratic Sen. John Edwards. Republican Sen. Elizabeth Dole has not signed on because of concerns about the bill, her communications director, Brian Nick, wrote via e-mail.

Steven Camarota, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies, thinks the bill would promote more illegal immigration. The Washington-based group supports strict curbs on immigration.

"There are millions of people who wait their turn to come to America legally," Camarota said. "If you now give legal status to their kids, you've told all those people who waited their turn that they're saps and suckers."

A similar bill is being considered by the House.

In February, El Pueblo Director Andrea Bazán-Manson took eight undocumented students from North Carolina to Washington to encourage lawmakers to pass the legislation. Bazán says she has received hundreds of phone calls and letters from undocumented students and their parents asking for help getting into colleges.

One of the students who joined her on the trip is Antonio, a rising 12th-grader who is a member of the ROTC at his high school in Western North Carolina and wants to become an Air Force pilot.

Antonio, 17, came to North Carolina from Mexico City with his parents when he was 7. If he can't study at a U.S. university, he might have to return to Mexico for college.

"He doesn't want to go," said his father, Antonio Sr. "He feels like a citizen of this country."

Dropout rate high

Experts say the difficulties undocumented students confront getting into U.S. universities may be dampening their drive to finish high school.

According to the Department of Education, 10.6 percent of Hispanic high school students dropped out in the 2000-01 school year, the latest year for which statistics were available. That's compared with 7.6 percent of black students, 5.4 percent of white students and 4.6 percent of Asian students.

Nayely, a high school student in Raleigh, said she knows at least 10 Hispanic students who have dropped out in the past two years. The 17-year-old wants to be an interior designer but views her career prospects with diminishing hopes because of her illegal status.

A week after graduating, Sara returned to her high school for a ceremony honoring her and seven other scholarship winners. Sara received $250 for college tuition.

Asked what her plans were now, Sara said she would fill out an application later in the week to attend Wake Technical Community College.

The community college accepts undocumented students for some classes, but not college-credit courses. Sara prefers not to dwell on what she'll do if her application is denied.

"I'll guess I'll try to get a job doing whatever I can," she said.

kellyc
06-14-2004, 07:53 AM
The thing that bothers me is that someone is here illegally, and we opt to REWARD them with citizenship. If her education is that important to her, then she should go thru the same steps as every other individual who wants to immigrate to the United States.

Kelly

Wuptdo
06-14-2004, 08:51 AM
Agree with you Kelly.
But what really bothers me is the fact that she was able to attend Public School (and probably receive public assistance as well) because some Judge in California says that she is "entitled" to an education (at our expense). This is the primarily negiative effect of illiegal aliens. Do you know it is easier to get her into public schools than your own child? We can't take care of all the worlds social problems! When did Matt D say His Lordship "Congressman Price" was coming to town. This would be a good one to ask him about. :wink:

Wuptdo B-)

Mark
06-14-2004, 08:52 AM
My thoughts, for whatever they're worth.

We're talking about kids here. They're a unique class when it comes to immigration because they are rarely responsible, or part of the decision making process, for their being in the specific country in question. Their parents are the ones that chose to enter the country illegally, making the completely rational decision to seek more opportunity and to bring their children with them.

We're also talking about a certain subset of kids too. Ones that have put in enough hard work and time to succeed in high school and who have aspirations for higher education.

So if the girl in that article, Sara, wants to become a legal resident she can apply for citizenship. If, and only if, she doesn't get deported first, as a result of reporting herself to the authorities, she has but to pass a test and take an oath to gain all the privileges of being a citizen. Hasn't she already put in more work, is, presumably, more knowledgeable, and will make a greater contribution to the nation than millions upon millions who don't appreciate their own citizenship?

And, from a practical standpoint, the argument for granting her citizenship is precisely the same one as Cary uses in wanting to extend ETJ towards Holly Springs. You've already invested the infrastructure, the subject of that development would benefit the community if incorporated, so you'd like to retain it.

Also, and this is not insignificant, the last paragraphs of the article do establish some moral weight on this issue. If one were to reject new or alternate paths to citizenship solely on the fact that there exists an established path, that everyone else has heretofore be subject to, with the knowledge that rejecting the new will cause economic and physical hardship for those involved than I would seriously question the ethical commitment of that person to serving humanity or bettering the lot of this nation in particular. Because, the preference for the old becomes nothing more than a fallacious argument ad antiquitatum, without any thought given to the merits of the content of the newer proposals.

SteveG
06-14-2004, 09:12 AM
I agree with Mark.

At some point, you have to stop punishing kids for the sins of their parents, and let them have a fair opportunity to make the most of their lives. I think it's possible to assimilate kids without endorsing the actions of their parents. The alternative is to create a permanent underclass of innocent young people with no way to improve their status. That's not the kind of America I want.

kellyc
06-14-2004, 09:33 AM
I think it's possible to assimilate kids without endorsing the actions of their parents. The alternative is to create a permanent underclass of innocent young people with no way to improve their status. That's not the kind of America I want.

So how do you do it? How do you assimilate kids without endorsing the actions of their parents?

Kelly

Anonymous
06-14-2004, 12:43 PM
I think that if Steve and Mark are that generous they should pay for Sara's college tuition together. 8O Punishing the kids is not the issue, their parents should have taken that into consideration before coming America illegally and raising their children to believe this is okay.

I think they should go back to Mexico and she can file for a student visa, others who are here legally going to college have to go through the same process. Once she graduates from college and follows all of the legal procedures, she can apply for a working visa and find a corporate sponser to help her with the proper paperwork to apply for legal citizenship.

As a community that has a large hispanic population we cannot continue to support the actions of illegal immigrants. Tell me how many Asian families or Indian families do you know that are asking for the same things. Not many, as a matter of fact none that I know of, they don't continue to ask for handouts from the community they do not ask for signs and special classes in their countries languages they work hard to learn our language and do things legally so their children do not have to suffer.

I am the least prejudice person you would ever meet many of my friends are from other countries so I do know the legalities and the amount of efforts it takes to be here in this country. To these people it is an honor not a given and they work hard to be a positive influence and generous participant in the community.

Don
06-14-2004, 06:26 PM
The problem I have is how many AMERICAN children, here by birthright, would be "bumped" off a list at some college somewhere to make room for an illegal student with a higher SAT score? I do not wish to see the children punished for their parents mistakes, but I don't want to see our children punished either.