Fahrenheit 911

[Anonymous]

No coments on Fahrenheit 911??? I guess the right wing conspiracy, which always touts that it is more informed, will pass on seeing this film and rely on others to tell them it how to answer the lefts questions. Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannitys audiences should be up this week as they learn the talkiing points without researching the material! So, (from someone who did see the film) get the answers to the following questions.


Why was Bin Laudens family able to fly out of our country when every other citizen was grounded? Why were they not questioned about thier family member?

Why and how are the Bush's soo associated with Bin Laudens families and the Saudi's in the business world, not the political world?

AND FOR ALL OF YOU WHO ALWAYS CLAIM THE MEDIA IS LIBERIAL, Why didn't the "main stream" media cover the crowd unrest and protests during the inauguration procession of the Bush motorcade?

When exactly was the patriot act designed and drawn up? 1300 pages done in the middle of the night? Without editing, debat, and reworking?

Still no weapons of mass distruction...where are they?

Better yet, where is Bin Laudin and why did this country start with so few people to try to catch him? Something to do with a gas pipeling thru Afganistan?

And one that is a statement from the film but a question not asked. If the United States now controls (Until June 30) the SECOND LARGEST OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD (STATEMENT IN THE FILM), WHY HAVE THE OIL PRICES GOT SO FAR OUT OF CONTROL? If the Saudis are such good allies that we let them out of our country to protect them, and in combination have "control" of the worlds oil supply, what role does oil money here?


The film raises questions that need to be answered and actions and associations that need to be accounted for.

It is about time that a political outsider from the left asks the questions that the political outsiders like Limbaugh and Hannity have had from the right (financed by big business at first on the air ways) to put forth thier slanted message.

Perhaps finally there can be a real debate of the issues, and not the just the BIG SPIN THAT COMES FROM THOSE WHO CLAIM THEY HAVE NO SPIN. It is time for the right to answer the questions about honesty in business dealings, moral questions about putting Americans in harms way for the sake of profit and some very connected big business profiteering at the enormous expense of the US Taxpayers.

If you are a chrisitan as am I, you will realize that terrorism has happened since the beginning of mankind, The excuse that what we are doing is because of terrorism is the same as holding the people from Japan in prisons after Pearl Harbor. We attacked a country that did not attack us first. Hussain may well have been a evil man, but the Bush administration has still not proven beyond a reasonable doubt, that Iraq had any part of the 911 attack.

This film will make this a great election year for one reason. It will bring out debate. In November, the people will decide the winner

BRING IT ON!

[Wuptdo]

So where is the review? :?

Interesting post, but I believe it belongs elsewhere on this forum. Also, "quest," if you aren't willing to sign you name, why should we respond?

Wuptdo B-)

The great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearances, as though they were realities, and are often even more influenced by the things that seem than by those that are.
Machiavelli, 1517

[Anonymous]

Yes , you are right, I thought I was on the movie review site, so my previous post was in the wrong place. As to being a guest, I just brought up a subject, how you respond to it is your concern.

I do think there will not be response until the talking points are sorted out by Rush and company.

Since there seems to be a conservative majority that frequents here, I felt that my guest status was best for this topic

Instead of questioning the presenter, why not enter the debate?

[dhyatt]

[snip]

BRING IT ON!

Glad to and proud to sign my name...


Why was Bin Laudens family able to fly out of our country when every other citizen was grounded? Why were they not questioned about thier family member?

Answer as reported by the 911 Commision: They flew out after commercial airspace had re-opened, the FBI questioned 30 of them and cleared the rest. The formal approval for their departure was given by one of your darlings - Richard Clarke. My question: Why doesn't the left acknowledge, and Moore report in his ridiculous pack of lies movie, that Bin Laden's family had disavowed Osama for more than a decade???


Why didn't the "main stream" media cover the crowd unrest and protests during the inauguration procession of the Bush motorcade?

Answer: They did. You look it up this time.

You were in the Movie Review site but since you didn't really offer a review of the movie, I moved you here - to National Issues. Don't worry, I'll answer the rest of your questions tomorrow since it's past my bedtime...

[Wuptdo]

My first thought is that "guest" is a paid employee of DNC. I believe if you look you will find his talking points at several websites about this movie. Also, this is not really a movie, it is supposed to be documentary. However, since it is Michael Moore, it can really be classified as a "mockumentary." This puts this feature in the same catogory as (please don't be upset that I am taking truely outstanding features and using them in this example) "This is Spinal Tap" or "Best in Show." The problem here is that Mr. Moore has a problem with source creditability - he has none (much like Al Franklin 8O ). However, in spite Mr. Moore's use of "creative" editing and audio dubbing, the Hollywood (and media) Elites love him. I believe that Mirimax Films next major project will be a remake of "Birth of a National;" directed by Spike Lee and re-scripted by Mr. Moore. :roll:

Wuptdo B-)

Anonymous: "Are you stupid or something?"
Forrest Gump: My mamma always said, "Stupid is as stupid does."
- Winston Groom & Eric Roth, 1994

[Anonymous]

Before this gets too far, I hope that each and all make the statement about when they saw the film. As I stated in my first post, I hope this debate will be on the issues, and I believe that without seeing the film, it is hard to debate and make statements about what facts have been presented. I hear the right wing all the time making statements, (meaning I listen to your side, are you willing to listen to our side?)so now that the film is there for evidence, it shoud be a must see item in order to debate. Unless that is not what the right really wants.....

[Wuptdo]

Guest,

I for one will not waste my money on this "mockumentary." That is why I think you work for the national or local DNC. Yes, no doubt the "party" faithful will see the film again, again, and even a 3rd time, in time, Miramax Films & Moore, make lots and lots of money. No thanks, I will stick to good wholesome family entainerment.

Wuptdo B-)

[Anonymous]

Sad that those who openly criticize the left fail to even listen to the arguements. With references to Spike Lee, (read Clintons book to learn about the real race divide) and the defence of Bush's and thier relationship to the Saudi's, I am suprised that W.A.S.P. is not added to GOP. And all the moral majority christians defending the relationship with the Arab Nations, which since the beginning of time have fought the Jews, of which Jesus was one.

So many people on the right just do not realize how used they are. And all in the name of power and money. But with "W's" help, all this and more is beginning to be exposed

[Wuptdo]

This looks like a documentary worth seeing:

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/



Other interesting sites about Mr. Moore:

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

http://www.moorelies.com/

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

Wuptdo B-)

Half the Truth is often a great lie. Benjamin Franklin (1758)

You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free. Jesus (John 8:32)

[Anonymous]

And while you are at the above, check out this sight about Rush Limbaugh

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/rushbusted.html. (Many more to follow)

[Anonymous]

and add to must read list this

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/06/12/005326.php

[dhyatt]

Wup provides factual info relating to inaccuracies and omissions in Moore's films and 'guest' responds with sites that are attacks on Limbaugh's personal life. What a hoot...

[Wuptdo]

Funny that "guest" should mention Rush L. I saw this bumper sticker the other day over at the Mall.

Rush is Right, Even on Drugs!

What a hoot.

Wuptdo B-)

The great principle of morality, "to do as one would be done to," is more commended than practiced. John Locke (1690)

[SteveG]

I heard that in response to Fahrenheit 911, conservative groups are funding their own film to sway voters. The conservative film will focus on "high" gas prices, immigrants taking service jobs from low-skill Americans, and liberal attempts to stop businesses from feeding the American people too much junk food. The title will be "Fahrenheit 7-11"....


(Edited to add some more 'h's to the Imperial counterpart to Celcious/SellSeeUs/Celsius.)

[Wuptdo]

SteveG,

ROFL! :lol: :lol:

Hopefully, one of the more clever writers on CP can add to the "movie."

Wuptdo B-)

Humor is the shock absorber of life; it helps us take the blows. Peggy Noonan (1990)

[Mark]

So, I saw the film last evening at the Rialto.

My advice to all is to see it. Surely you've wasted $7 and an hour and a half on things worse than this. Go form your own opinions and, at the very least, witness a master of manipulation at work. Moore's propensity for propoganda is what, I think, many object to about the film and is from where the controversy surrounding it stems. The film's content is not the controversial part and there is far too much good - exclusive Iraq footage, interviews with soldierts, some new information about homeland security measures, and more - in this movie to be missed. The question of whether it is or is not a documentary is a specious one, it's a movie, and it's not being a true documentary isn't what is keeping people from the theaters.

So, again, I urge all to go. It is entertaining and I should also note, for this audience, that I did not walk out of the theather hating President Bush or feeling that the film's intent is to malign him. It is unabashedly unfair towards him, yes, but it's goal is much broader and treats Bush as I've always felt towards him, with pity. Nearly every person that walks out of the theater will either experiece some complex emotions while agreeing with the film or some complex anger towards Moore himself. At least you'll be feeling something when you leave, an experience that will surely not follow a viewing of, say, the Chronicles of Riddick.

4/5 stars, with deductions for overemphasis on one particular scene with a mother a killed soldier and for not returning to the Saudi / broader business conections vis a vis war segment at the end to tie up his thesis.

[MattD]

Wup-

You had a quote at the bottom of one of your posts: "Half the Truth is often a great lie. Benjamin Franklin (1758)"

Do you REALLY think "W" and his administration have given the American people the full truth about why we invaded Iraq?

[Don]

Wup-

You had a quote at the bottom of one of your posts: "Half the Truth is often a great lie. Benjamin Franklin (1758)"

Do you REALLY think "W" and his administration have given the American people the full truth about why we invaded Iraq?


Do you REALLY think Clinton (pick one) gave the people the full truth about what happened with Whitewater, Monica, or (insert your favorite scandal here)?

[Anonymous]

From Don Frantz -


Do you REALLY think Clinton (pick one) gave the people the full truth about what happened with Whitewater, Monica, or (insert your favorite scandal here)?

Don, no I don't think we really got the full truth about what happened. I am sure there is much more to the story that, unfortunately, the public will never hear about.

Yes, I am a Democrat, but that does not mean I put blinders on. I try to step back from the situation and see what is truly going happening.

Many Republicans were disappointed in Nixon. Many Democrats were disappointed in Clinton. They put their party politics aside and did what thought was best for the country.

So no, Don, I don't think we got the full truth from Clinton. Do you think we got the full truth from "W"?

[Don]

you still can't figure out how to quote someone in the box? :wink:

NO, I don't think we got the "whole truth" in regards to the war in Iraq from President Bush. HOWEVER, I like President Bush believe the war was neccessary. I also believe the media has made a "successful" (define as you wish) war darn near impossible. I don't believe everything that happens in war should be public knowledge or shown on prime time. War is hell (or so grandpa told me) and the majority of this country doesn't have the stomachs for it.

[MattD]

Opps (again)... I forgot to sign in. The above "guest" is me.

[dhyatt]

you still can't figure out how to quote someone in the box? :wink:

NO, I don't think we got the "whole truth" in regards to the war in Iraq from President Bush. HOWEVER, I like President Bush believe the war was neccessary. I also believe the media has made a "successful" (define as you wish) war darn near impossible. I don't believe everything that happens in war should be public knowledge or shown on prime time. War is hell (or so grandpa told me) and the majority of this country doesn't have the stomachs for it.

I disagree with your asseration that we haven't gotten the whoe truth from Bush. I think we've gotten nothing but the truth from Bush - at least as he understood it at the time. Unfortunately, as you also asserted, the media has played a large role in deciding which "truths" to amplify and repeat and which to bury because they doen't support their goal of defeating Bush. There are two sides to every story and anyone who pays attention to only one of them is most likely being successfully manipulated.

[Don]

you still can't figure out how to quote someone in the box? :wink:

NO, I don't think we got the "whole truth" in regards to the war in Iraq from President Bush. HOWEVER, I like President Bush believe the war was neccessary. I also believe the media has made a "successful" (define as you wish) war darn near impossible. I don't believe everything that happens in war should be public knowledge or shown on prime time. War is hell (or so grandpa told me) and the majority of this country doesn't have the stomachs for it.

I disagree with your asseration that we haven't gotten the whoe truth from Bush. I think we've gotten nothing but the truth from Bush - at least as he understood it at the time. Unfortunately, as you also asserted, the media has played a large role in deciding which "truths" to amplify and repeat and which to bury because they doen't support their goal of defeating Bush. There are two sides to every story and anyone who pays attention to only one of them is most likely being successfully manipulated.

While I would "almost" agree with your statement, I also believe that NO politician EVER tells the whole truth all the time. So I cannot believe I/we got the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Just me I guess.

[Cathy]

While I would "almost" agree with your statement, I also believe that NO politician EVER tells the whole truth all the time. So I cannot believe I/we got the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Just me I guess.

I agree!!
But I also agree with Don H. Even though I think most politicians are deceptive, I also think that no matter which President does what, we are NEVER told the whole story, and we are at the mercy of the media to tell us what they want us to hear, pre-digested.
Wouldn't it kill their ratings if they gave us "just the facts" and let us come to our own conclusions??
And when you do look at altenative sources of news, you hear and read facts and quotes that you would never be told by the mainstream media.

Cathy

[Rono]

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