Kerry and Edwards

[Don]

I'm surprised to not see anything on this by now so I am going to stir the pot a bit. What's everyone think of Kerry choosing Edwards? Personally, I think this will help his candidacy, I just don't think it will matter in the end though. Edwards is very marketable (southern, young, good looking, etc..) and will resonate with a lot of people. He may not be the most qualified person available to be vice president, but those of us in business know image is everything, and Edwards brings just that.

[Brent]

I'm always happy to join in stirring the pot. :)

I had thought that the first and foremost expectation of a veep candidate is to deliver his/her home state.

I don't see Johnny E. doing that.

[kellyc]

WEll BRent, normally I think I would agree with you, but on this issue we will have to differ. There are so many people that I know of that tend to vote 100%republican that are so fed up with GW and his administration. Barring some last minute extreme economic change, or some huge change in Iraq/Afghanistan I think Kerry/Edwards are going to do to this Bush, what Clinton did to his daddy. They are gonna 1 term him.

Edwards brings:
1. The MTV vote. Not critical, but it has the potential to be, and has the odds of being overlooked by this Bush, just as it was by his Papa in 92
2. The female vote
3. Old people's vote. (Old people are gonna love Johnny Boy) and Johnny Boy supports their healthcare issues, where GW goes in screaming and kicking.
4. The textile vote. He's the only candidate to openly oppose NAFTA, and that wants to seek a change. The bummer is that Kerry supports it. But the flip side is GW and Cheney support it.
5. The vote of the Republican (such as myself) who cant stand Kerry, but might find him a little easier to swallow with Edwards on his ticket.

I dont particular care for John Kerry, as Im not so sure that he is that much different than GW and Cheney. However there is the romantic part of me that hopes that Edwards can be a breathe of fresh air in the White House. Maybe its wishful thinking. But maybe his short term as senator means he hasn't been 100% corrupted by the Capital Hill folks. Wishful thinking for sure. I think Edwards just might can bring home the bacon. It depends on how the governors race goes too..These two might just end up riding Mike Easly's coattails.

Kelly

[Mark]

I was quite happy with this decision. Edwards will not, ever, be good for dramatically turning a state blue. But, he is good for 2 or 3 points everywhere. And, 2 or 3 points in many places will likely be good enough.

I'm probably as liberal as anyone most of you know. There was never much, but there was some, doubt that I'd vote for Kerry. He's a little to right for me, of course. So why would a more centrist Southern populist make me like Kerry more, and be more inclined to actively help the campaign (I sent my first donation today)? Because Edwards understands better than Bush and better than Kerry why America is worth fighting for. It's an understanding that I hope people come to respect and realize as their own. So, I'm pretty excited about the Kerry/Edwards ticket right now. I hope the Dems, as they are wont to do, don't screw it up by casting Edwards into a partisan attack machine like the GOP does with Cheney. Time will tell, of course, but I haven't been this hopeful since January.

[Brent]

5. The vote of the Republican (such as myself) who cant stand Kerry, but might find him a little easier to swallow with Edwards on his ticket.

The vote is for president. I cannot understand why someone who "can't stand Kerry" would consider voting for him because of his veep choice. Most veeps have little influence once an election is over (Cheney and Gore may be exceptions).

I expect the election to be close. I do not believe that Johnny E. will deliver NC.

[kellyc]

Its easy Brent. My distaste for GW is extremely high, my distaste for his Veep is even higher. I cant stand Kerry, but I dislike GW even more.

[Brent]

So vote for Nader.

[dhyatt]

I've been out of reach for a few days (I know you all missed me :-) ) and I've just caught up on how Kerry and Edwards are really playing up the "two Johns". I'll now refer to them as the "Toilet Ticket" ;-)

BTW - Is it just me or do they seem to be a little overly "touchy feely" with eachother. It's a little gross... :?

[Cathy]

Yes...their first appearance together was awkward at best. I think that it is going to be difficult for Edwards to be himself around Kerry and it shows. It would be so very politically uncorrect for the VP candidate to outshine the Presidential candidate, and Edwards will have to work hard not to do that.

Cathy

( I did miss ya Don! You have story submissions piling up on you. The one from "guest" is one of my submissions. I forgot to log in!)

[MattD]

If anyone needs tickets to the Kerry/Edwards event, click on this link. You can get up to 4 tickets.


http://www.johnkerry.com/events/071004_raleigh_form.php

Be sure to get there no later then 2:00. Rumor has it that the Secret Service will not allow anyone in after 2:30.

[Wuptdo]

Wuptdo wrote on 4 Feb 2004:


Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:54 am Post subject: Johnny Boy

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It is very possible Brent. As long as Johnny boy doesn't trash Kerry in the primaries and basically sticks to his "feel-good" campaign. However, Kerry is better off finding someone who is currently not running for office. Kerry needs balance on his ticket and someone from the East Coast or South won't cut it. A Sunbelter or West Coaster is the way to go. Also, taking a women as VP will also score a lot of points with unaffilicated voters. However, I can't think of any women candidates from the West Coast that voters are willing to tolerate (Diane Feinstien?)

However, just for fun, suppose the Hollywood/Music elites decide they like Johnny Boy. If Brittney Spears, Justin Timberlake, P.Diddie, Snoopy-dog Dawg, and Alec Baldwin (and such), get behind Johnny Boy (because of his "boyish" charm and good looks) he could be unstoppable. The MTV crowd is very much into style over substanance.

Back to reality. If Johnny boys stays good and really supports Kerry-VP and they do win (I doubt it but...), I see Johnny boy as either AG or Sec of (Blank). Stranger things have happened.

Preparing for high winds and heavy seas!

Wuptdo


The next post was from JohnB:


Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:10 pm Post subject:

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Edwards can't be a serious VP contender. He'd loose re-election to the Senate here in NC if he were on the ballot this fall. Kerry knows that. Edwards would do for a Donkeycrat nominee what Algor did, ie, not carry his home state.



Nobody's perfect and John's logic at the time was sound. I wonder who at CP is forwarding this stuff to the DNC? If so, I want on the payroll! :lol:

When Edwards/Kerry talk about "two" America's; I have a real problem with that. According to CNN, this is the estimated net worth of the candiates:

Kerry = 1 Billion
Edwards = 70 million
Chaney = 50 million
Bush = 15 million

If Edwards/Kerry get elected will they help my side of America get: a beachfront home, Million dollar plus home in D.C., or at least a minimum - Cadillac Escalade EXT (pearl white please). Maybe I just fell off the turnip truck, but I just don't see Kerry as being a champion of the "working" person. Which leads me in another direction - I believe that Mrs. Heinz/Kerry is the real "power" behind Kerry - she wants to be first lady and is using him to get there. The bottom line, if elected, she will be running the Country - he is nothing more than her mouthpiece.

Thoughts & Comments?

Wuptdo

(Getting in my shots now - leaving for a few weeks)

[Don]

It would be so very politically uncorrect for the VP candidate to outshine the Presidential candidate, and Edwards will have to work hard not to do that.

Have to agree with you there!

[Don]

Wuptdo wrote on 4 Feb 2004:


Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:54 am Post subject: Johnny Boy

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It is very possible Brent. As long as Johnny boy doesn't trash Kerry in the primaries and basically sticks to his "feel-good" campaign. However, Kerry is better off finding someone who is currently not running for office. Kerry needs balance on his ticket and someone from the East Coast or South won't cut it. A Sunbelter or West Coaster is the way to go. Also, taking a women as VP will also score a lot of points with unaffilicated voters. However, I can't think of any women candidates from the West Coast that voters are willing to tolerate (Diane Feinstien?)

However, just for fun, suppose the Hollywood/Music elites decide they like Johnny Boy. If Brittney Spears, Justin Timberlake, P.Diddie, Snoopy-dog Dawg, and Alec Baldwin (and such), get behind Johnny Boy (because of his "boyish" charm and good looks) he could be unstoppable. The MTV crowd is very much into style over substanance.

Back to reality. If Johnny boys stays good and really supports Kerry-VP and they do win (I doubt it but...), I see Johnny boy as either AG or Sec of (Blank). Stranger things have happened.

Preparing for high winds and heavy seas!

Wuptdo


The next post was from JohnB:


Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:10 pm Post subject:

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Edwards can't be a serious VP contender. He'd loose re-election to the Senate here in NC if he were on the ballot this fall. Kerry knows that. Edwards would do for a Donkeycrat nominee what Algor did, ie, not carry his home state.



Nobody's perfect and John's logic at the time was sound. I wonder who at CP is forwarding this stuff to the DNC? If so, I want on the payroll! :lol:

When Edwards/Kerry talk about "two" America's; I have a real problem with that. According to CNN, this is the estimated net worth of the candiates:

Kerry = 1 Billion
Edwards = 70 million
Chaney = 50 million
Bush = 15 million

If Edwards/Kerry get elected will they help my side of America get: a beachfront home, Million dollar plus home in D.C., or at least a minimum - Cadillac Escalade EXT (pearl white please). Maybe I just fell off the turnip truck, but I just don't see Kerry as being a champion of the "working" person. Which leads me in another direction - I believe that Mrs. Heinz/Kerry is the real "power" behind Kerry - she wants to be first lady and is using him to get there. The bottom line, if elected, she will be running the Country - he is nothing more than her mouthpiece.

Thoughts & Comments?

Wuptdo

(Getting in my shots now - leaving for a few weeks)

I just want a lifetime supply of Ketchup. :wink:

[johnb]

What's odd about this pick is that it won't matter.

Edwards decided not to run for re-election in NC because his re-election bid was on the rocks. The man was loosing badly to Richard Burr and anonymous GOP candidates in the polls. While it is still early, the GOP can still take solace in the fact that they're gonna pick up a Senate seat in NC and Bush will carry this state again.

A Presidential candidate or a VP candidate that can't carry his own state is of little value.

Gore lost Tennessee
Bentsen didn't help Dukakis carry Texas or any other state in the South.
Ferraro didn't help Mondale.
Mondale didn't help Carter.

Is anyone so daft as to believe the news reports now claiming that Johnny Edwards has a "military constituency"? Unlike most of you I get the chance to talk to GI's quite often and the Navy personnel I speak with are HIGHLY and uniformly anti-Kerry while no GI's I've spoken with have any allegiance or love for little Johnny Edwards.

Edwards is not a positive in NC, he's a generic Donkeycrat and the partisan Donkeycrats will vote straight Donkeycrat regardless of his candidacy.

[johnb]

Wup,

Regarding my statement you quoted, the latest poll results in NC show Kerry/Edwards loosing the state to Bush/Cheney by a 15 point spread.

It isn't even close.

If the presidential election were being held today, and it included John Kerry and John Edwards as the Democratic candidates and George W. Bush and Dick Cheney as the Republican candidates. Who would you vote for?

2004 Jul 9-11

Kerry/Edwards 41
Bush/Cheney 56
Neither (vol.) 1
Other (vol.) 2

As I said, Edwards can't be taken seriously. He was bound to loose any chance of re-election to the US Senate and he will fail to deliver any Southern state for the Donkeycrats.

What is frighteningly stupid about the Donkeycrats here is they know Edwards is a horrifically weak candidate. He has no experience and is uniquely unqualified to be anything but an ambulance chaser. He lost his @$$ in the Super Tuesday primaries and was just as weak in the South as he was everywhere else in America. If he was such a hot draw in the South why did his candidacy collapse so early?

No Southern state will go Donkeycrat in November.

[Wuptdo]

Ok, lots of good logic here. However, in the end, it may be how the two gentleman reguard each other. Please see attached (won't work with dial-up and don't play when kids are around). Rated PG-13.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/kerryedwards.php

One commerical you won't see played in the South.

Wuptdo B-)

At last, the big Five double 00!