Crime Alert......

[Wuptdo]

Got this is the e-mail tonight. Please pass it along:


My friend at Wake Forest sent this to me this morning.

This happened to a friend of our associate director at the Target on
Univ. Parkway! Please share with your colleagues to be careful.

A new safety issue we need to be aware of:


I just wanted to let you all know of something that happened to me
today in the Target parking lot. Be aware of this and let everyone you
know be aware so this does not happen to anyone else.

I was at Target today to return something which only took a couple of
minutes. When I pulled into the parking lot a man in a car pulled in a
couple spaces down from me. He started to go into the store about the
same time as I did, then turned back around and went back to his car. I
went into Target returned my items and walked back out to get into my
car. When I walked out, he was walking away from my car carrying a small
gas can. I noticed there was fluid on the side of my car and a puddle
beside it. I got into my car not sure of what happened, wrote down his
license plate # and left. He followed me out of the parking lot.

I was only able to drive about a half a mile and my car started acting
funny. It died on me as I was driving and I was able to pull into an
area business along the highway. I just sat in my car and called the
police.
The man drove by three times as I waited. The police who came took a
report and said that he had poured sugar water into my gas tank which is
what made my car stall. It was a great way to get a woman by herself to
be stranded on the streets. Luckily for me I was able to stop where
there were people around. The police know where the car came from and
are working on this now.
Not sure what will happen but my car is now in the shop not running,
but it could have been much worse for me. Just be aware that this is
happening and always be aware of your surroundings. It certainly scared
me and I am grateful that nothing else happened.

Please pass this on .....



Good advice indeed! Always be aware of your surroundings, even in Cary.

Hey DonF, what kind of repair bill for a typical V-6 engine? I thought the sugar in the gas tank only affected cars with carborators?

Wuptdo B-)

[francejamie]

Got this is the e-mail tonight. Please pass it along:


My friend at Wake Forest sent this to me this morning.

This happened to a friend of our associate director at the Target on
Univ. Parkway! Please share with your colleagues to be careful.

A new safety issue we need to be aware of:


I just wanted to let you all know of something that happened to me
today in the Target parking lot. Be aware of this and let everyone you
know be aware so this does not happen to anyone else.

I was at Target today to return something which only took a couple of
minutes. When I pulled into the parking lot a man in a car pulled in a
couple spaces down from me. He started to go into the store about the
same time as I did, then turned back around and went back to his car. I
went into Target returned my items and walked back out to get into my
car. When I walked out, he was walking away from my car carrying a small
gas can. I noticed there was fluid on the side of my car and a puddle
beside it. I got into my car not sure of what happened, wrote down his
license plate # and left. He followed me out of the parking lot.

I was only able to drive about a half a mile and my car started acting
funny. It died on me as I was driving and I was able to pull into an
area business along the highway. I just sat in my car and called the
police.
The man drove by three times as I waited. The police who came took a
report and said that he had poured sugar water into my gas tank which is
what made my car stall. It was a great way to get a woman by herself to
be stranded on the streets. Luckily for me I was able to stop where
there were people around. The police know where the car came from and
are working on this now.
Not sure what will happen but my car is now in the shop not running,
but it could have been much worse for me. Just be aware that this is
happening and always be aware of your surroundings. It certainly scared
me and I am grateful that nothing else happened.

Please pass this on .....



Good advice indeed! Always be aware of your surroundings, even in Cary.

Hey DonF, what kind of repair bill for a typical V-6 engine? I thought the sugar in the gas tank only affected cars with carborators?

Wuptdo B-)

Sorry Wup, while well intentioned, your warning is just another urban legend.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/sugared.asp

[Dharma]

Sorry Wup, while well intentioned, your warning is just another urban legend.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/sugared.asp

Yes, Wup. You might want to check these things out before you post them here. Just in case you get them in your e-mail and punk'd again, let me tell you about a few: There are rattle snakes in the balls in the kids playground at McDonalds. The hotel keys have your personal information on them (I recently fell for this one). Men are lurking in mall parking lots asking for help and tying women up and putting them in the trunks of their cars. HIV infected needles in movie theater seats. Little Susie from SC went missing so forward her on her picture....

Anybody else got any good ones recently?

[Brent]

Yes, Wup. You might want to check these things out before you post them here. Just in case you get them in your e-mail and punk'd again, let me tell you about a few: There are rattle snakes in the balls in the kids playground at McDonalds. The hotel keys have your personal information on them (I recently fell for this one). Men are lurking in mall parking lots asking for help and tying women up and putting them in the trunks of their cars. HIV infected needles in movie theater seats. Little Susie from SC went missing so forward her on her picture....

Anybody else got any good ones recently?

Yeah, there's a sexist cabal on the Cary Town Council out to get all the women board applicants in Cary. Be on guard when visiting Town Hall, ladies! :-D :D :lol:

[d4vendel]

Sorry Wup, while well intentioned, your warning is just another urban legend.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/sugared.asp

Yes, Wup. You might want to check these things out before you post them here. Just in case you get them in your e-mail and punk'd again, let me tell you about a few: There are rattle snakes in the balls in the kids playground at McDonalds. The hotel keys have your personal information on them (I recently fell for this one). Men are lurking in mall parking lots asking for help and tying women up and putting them in the trunks of their cars. HIV infected needles in movie theater seats. Little Susie from SC went missing so forward her on her picture....

Anybody else got any good ones recently?

The collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11 was due to anything other than two planes that had been commandeered by 19 Islamic extremists crashing into them.

- David F.

[Dharma]

The collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11 was due to anything other than two planes that had been commandeered by 19 Islamic extremists crashing into them.

D'ooooooh! I HATE when you get me back!

Lucky for those of us who want to know, there's a 3 part video.

[DarylB]

The collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11 was due to anything other than two planes that had been commandeered by 19 Islamic extremists crashing into them.

D'ooooooh! I HATE when you get me back!

Lucky for those of us who want to know, there's a 3 part video.

Maybe they can photoshop out the planes and the flames, so the towers just fall down (or out, as they theory goes), sorta like when they photoshopped out Michael Joyce in the official Town Council picture. Anybody seen Susan Moran lately, or know what she's up to? Or she busy photoshopping IN Erv Portman....?

[Dharma]

Maybe they can photoshop out the planes and the flames, so the towers just fall down....?

Daryl,
Why don't you watch the videos and then we'll have this conversation. In the meantime, Mr. Planecrashexpert, please explain why a 47 story building that NEVER GOT HIT BY A PLANE came down at free fall speed at 5PM on 9/11? :roll:

[d4vendel]

For the record, I have watched the videos. I also watched a video that showed a "real" alien autoposy. :roll:

[Dharma]

For the record, I have watched the videos. I also watched a video that showed a "real" alien autoposy. :roll:

It must be nice to live your in safe little world where the sky is always blue and the sun always shines. It makes me want to come live there and stay there forever.

Why did WTC7 fall straight down in it's own footprint again?

[d4vendel]

As much as I loath the "cut and paste" instead of just a link.....

To view the entire article and to see the photos and figures referenced along with the references and notes in the bibliography, click here (http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11.html)



The Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7

“Not so fast,” the 9/11 Truth Movement might say. How do you explain the collapse of WTC Building 7, which was not struck by an airplane? Many 9/11 conspiracy theorists maintain that the collapse of this building at about 5:20 pm on 9/11 would not have occurred unless it was already prepared for demolition. The conspiracy theorists assume that damage sustained by WTC 7 during the attack was not sufficient to trigger its collapse. The site wtc7.net claims that “fires were observed in Building 7 prior to its collapse, but they were isolated in small parts of the building, and were puny by comparison to other building fires.” They further claim that any damage from falling debris from WTC 1 and WTC 2 would have needed to be symmetrical to trigger the pancaking collapse of WTC 7.10

These arguments only reveal the assumptions of their authors. First, the fires burning in WTC 7 were extremely extensive, as Figure 3 shows. The reason this is not obvious from 9/11 Truth Movement presentations and documentaries is that they tend to only show the north side of WTC 7, selectively causing the building to appear both far less ravaged by fire and structural damage than it actually was (see Figure 4).

Firefighter Richard Banaciski notes the difference in appearance between the north and south sides of the building in his first-person account:

We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what’s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors.11


Figure 3 WTC 7 seen from the Southwest side, showing the true extent of fire and structural damage
Emergency response workers at Ground Zero realized that extensive damage to the lower south section of WTC 7 would cause collapse as early as 3 pm on 9/11, a fact reported on news broadcasts at the time.12 Video footage shows that when collapse occurred, the south wall of the building gave in first, which is exactly what we would expect based on the location of the most extensive damage. As noted for the collapse of the South Tower, the mechanics of the building’s fall are completely consistent with the nature of the damage sustained. The planned demolition hypothesis, on the other hand, fails to explain why collapse would begin at exactly the point where damage was inflicted, since the conspirators would have had to been able to predict exactly where debris from the fallen North and South Towers would strike WTC 7. And while the makers of the documentary Loose Change comment that WTC 7 “fell straight down, into a convenient pile,” the truth is that the pile of debris was 12 stories high and 150 meters across, hardly the kind of “convenient pile” described by conspiracy theorists.13

For those who believe that Building 7 fell due to controlled demolition, some of the most powerful “evidence” seemingly comes from WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein’s alleged “confession” that he authorized the tower’s destruction. The quote in question comes from a September, 2002 PBS Special called America Rebuilds, in which Silverstein says:

I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, “We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.” And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.14


Figure 4 The image of WTC 7 commonly shown by the 9/11 Truth Movement, showing apparently minimal damage to the building
To conspiracy theorists such as Alex Jones at prisonplanet.com, this quote seems to be a “smoking gun” because they interpret the phrase “pull it” to be “industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.”15 Silverstein seems to be saying that he and the firefighters decided to pull (destroy) Building 7, and watched it fall after authorizing the demolition. No building could be controllably demolished so quickly, the conspiracy theorists go on to argue, so WTC 7 must have been prepared for demolition long in advance.

On closer inspection, this supposedly devastating evidence does not seem to mean what the 9/11 Truth Movement thinks it means. There is far from unanimous industry agreement that the phrase “pull it” always signifies a controlled demolition with explosives — more specific phrases such as “pull away” would be used to designate the specific operation to be performed.16 And of course, “pull” has many common language uses quite separate from demolition lingo. But if Silverstein wasn’t describing a decision to destroy WTC 7, what could the words “pull it” mean? A good place to seek the answer is this September 9, 2005 statement by Mr. Dara McQuillan, a spokesperson for Larry Silverstein:

In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.

Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

As noted above, when Mr. Silverstein was recounting these events for a television documentary he stated, “I said, you know, we’ve had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it.” Mr. McQuillan has stated that by “it,” Mr. Silverstein meant the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building [emphasis added].17

McQuillan’s response also indicated that firefighters were present at WTC 7 to evacuate tenants, and worked at the site until late in the afternoon shortly before the collapse occurred. There is in fact abundant evidence that firefighters were present in and around WTC 7 in evacuation and rescue missions until late in the day on 9/11. As one account describes:

The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was [that] the collapse [of the WTC towers] had damaged 7 World Trade Center … It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time [emphasis added] and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn’t] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely.18

Another first responder adds that there were “tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled [emphasis added] us out.”19 The first-hand accounts of rescue operations at WTC 7 tell a consistent story, and the latter quote also uses the word “pull” to describe the removal of firefighters from the vicinity of the building, just as McQuillan’s statement does. Indeed, there is large agreement between McQuillan’s response and the testimony of the firefighters, including the fact that:

firefighters were in fact in the vicinity of WTC 7 on 9/11;
their activities involved evacuation and rescue missions;
firefighters remained near WTC 7 until late in the afternoon of 9/11;
firefighters realized that WTC 7 would probably fall by approximately 3 pm on 9/11; and
firefighters pulled back from the building shortly after this realization, and watched the building collapse at approximately 5:20 pm. Despite the objections of conspiracy theorists, the “official story” is both logically coherent and supported by evidence.
By contrast, the story told by the 9/11 Truth Movement is riddled with holes. It assumes that Larry Silverstein destroyed WTC Building 7, presumably in order to claim a huge insurance payoff. But if this is so, why would he tell the world of his plot on a PBS special? Furthermore, what relationship does Silverstein have with the United States government who, according to conspiracy theorists, destroyed the WTC buildings in order to terrorize its citizens into accepting domination by a police state?20 And if the government controlled the demolition of the WTC buildings in order to strike fear into its citizens, why one this one case would it wait until all of the tenants were evacuated from WTC 7 so that there were no reported casualties?21 The government’s strategy appears wildly inconsistent in the Truth Movement account — killing nearly 3,000 people in the destruction of the two main towers, while allowing an entire afternoon for the tenants of WTC 7 to escape. We should also note that the alleged 9/11 plot was needlessly complicated, since the building was wired for a controlled demolition and targeted to be hit by airplanes — why not just do the controlled demolition, ditch the airplanes and blame it on the terrorists of your choice?

There’s also the problem that, as even the 9/11 Truth Movement admits, prepping a building for demolition takes considerable time and effort. Usually a building targeted for demolition has been abandoned for considerable time and partially gutted to allow explosives intimate contact with the structure of the building. But since all of the WTC buildings were occupied right up to 9/11, how did the government gain access to wire 3 towers for complete demolition without anyone noticing? Imagine trying to sneak wires and bombs into buildings while thousands of people are working in offices, riding the elevators and milling about in the halls — that scenario is unlikely in the extreme.

[d4vendel]

For the record, I have watched the videos. I also watched a video that showed a "real" alien autoposy. :roll:

It must be nice to live your in safe little world where the sky is always blue and the sun always shines. It makes me want to come live there and stay there forever.

Why did WTC7 fall straight down in it's own footprint again?

I would much rather live in my world than the dark world you live in where big governement, evil corportations, and the boogey-man lurk around every corner, waiting to pounce on me.

Now, staying in Condition Yellow when it comes to my personal space and what is going on around me - that's a different story. :twisted: