Vickie Maxwell - District B

[editor_andy]

http://www.vickie4council.com/index.htm

She's the president of my neighborhood's (Well, my *Cary* neighborhood) HOA and fairly qualified/intelligent. Interesting candidate thats worth a look at.

B-)

[DarylB]

http://www.vickie4council.com/index.htm

She's the president of my neighborhood's (Well, my *Cary* neighborhood) HOA and fairly qualified/intelligent. Interesting candidate thats worth a look at.

B-)

This candidate brought to you courtesy of the CCF "Perky Princess" slush fund.......... NEXT!

http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos3777/1/23/94/89/2/4/402899423111_0_ALB.jpg


Sometimes you just have to ask "why"!

What is the connection that would entice Vickie Maxwell to support Julie Robison so strongly, and to be a part of the CCF juggernaut of the "Perky Princess" parade..... yes, she can raise money, and yes she can attend dinners, something that has become a highly refined practice of the current "build-it/develop it/kill the trees" committee of 7 crowd with Mayor McBackhoe leading the hardhats to victory. But....

I have to ask, with the allegiances she's formed, is she going to be a part of the solution, or is she just a part of the problem... and ready to act as a card carrying member of the complex current inner workings of "Developers Gone Wild"? Can you really expect to "Clean House", which I think there's a pretty strong case for, if you then make the mistake of electing into office the as yet unelected members of the presently entrenched "Cleaning Crew"?

[Wuptdo]

After tonight's fun & games with the candidates I plan on helping Vickie replace some her campaign signs that seem to be disappearing from the downtown area. Funny, we thought we would find them in the "campaign" trash bin over at the town hall parking garage, but only found one there. I guess Art collectors want them. :wink:

Yesterday, Vickie received a very disturbing phone call from a supporter. He wanted to know if Vickie was or had been a fund raiser or supporter for Hillary Clinton. NO and never will be was her response to her supporter. Apparently, the supporter was working in their front yard, which had a "Vickie" sign, and someone walking by told them of Vickie's efforts for Hillary Clinton.

I guess when you can't get any dirt on someone, make it up.

The more you know:

http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A160780

Her phone number is attached to the above link. Give Vickie a call and ask her yourself.

Wuptdo B-)

[BenP]

Mrs. Vickie sure must be proud to have your support.

Wuptdoodoo said:

In the book of Wup..... Beside, what is a man suppose to do when the wife is no longer "performing" her duties? We don't know the whole story, just what the Senator has told us. With Sen. Craig, for all we know, his wife drove him to seek the path of perversion. Once again, it is not up to me, but the people who put him in office. Most of the guys that I know that have "strayed or paid" did so because their wives had either gone frigid on them, got fat, or they had became fem-Nazi's. In some cases, they did get bored with their wives and traded them in on younger more vibrant models. I don't see any of you fem-Nazi's types whinning about Donald Trump, because you know in your heart of hearts, you all want to be Mrs. Trump. Tell me Chana or Dharma, why do you think men (or husbands) would "stray or pay?" Or what about all those guys that were happily "married" but their wives turn them or forced them to become gay. Explain that one while your at it. Enlighten us with your vast knowledge of human perversions.

http://carypolitics.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3116&start=45

And if that wasn't good enough, Wptdoodoo one ups himself with this one:

Talk to the hand, Dharma. Click the link below - you'll find that the name "Dharma" is a highlighted link that takes people to NAMBLA's website. You know NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association? That's family values for you.

http://carypolitics.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3116&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

Yes sir, I bet Mrs. Vickie feels very comfortable riding around in a car with you.

Then again, one is judged by the company they keep.

[DavidB]

Am I the only one who has no idea what BenP is talking about? I guess its true about putting a hundred monkeys in a room, eventually one will produce a line of Shakespeare, I'm thinking BenP is still a couple of monkeys short.

What in tarnation brought about that reaction?

BenP I think you've got your talking points from the Hillary campaign....when you don't have anything to say about a subject, sling some mud around and hope it hits something?

I believe the point was about yard signs and whisper campaigns. So, have you got something substantial to say, something factual about Vickie Maxwell, that is relevant to her either being a qualified candidate for your litle Town Council race, OR some proof that she raises money for democrats in PARTISAN races? I believe this race is not partisan.

Just because you can write something...doesn't mean that you should.

[3LeggedDog]

Am I the only one who has no idea what BenP is talking about? I guess its true about putting a hundred monkeys in a room, eventually one will produce a line of Shakespeare, I'm thinking BenP is still a couple of monkeys short.

What in tarnation brought about that reaction?

BenP I think you've got your talking points from the Hillary campaign....when you don't have anything to say about a subject, sling some mud around and hope it hits something?

I believe the point was about yard signs and whisper campaigns. So, have you got something substantial to say, something factual about Vickie Maxwell, that is relevant to her either being a qulaified candidate for your litle Town Council race, OR some proff that she raises money for democrats in PARTISAN races? I believe this race is not partisan.

Just because you can write something...doesn't mean that you should.

Hey Vickie good of ya to post

[DavidB]

I believe you are barking up the wrong tree, pun intended. I am not Vickie......

[JoeCiulla]

Lots of veterans post out here, and I'm sure they all know who eachother are. Why are most of the newbies posting in stealth mode? If you believe in what you say, put your name behind it.

[MattD]

Why are most of the newbies posting in stealth mode?

Because there is an election in 6 days??

[BTeamMember]

Just a guess. Perhaps the BenP was making a reference to Wup's tendency toward exaggerated, inaccurate, ugly and mean spirited posts.

[DavidB]

Ah, Thanks BTeam....I appreciate that. Hmm, well in Wups post there sure didn't seem to be any of those. Just ask
Steve Swanson about the Hillary story.

TheKid

[DarylB]

Why are most of the newbies posting in stealth mode?

Because there is an election in 6 days??

You notice that ALL of these "newbies" are coming out of the woodwork, just in time to support their favorites, just in time for an election. I'll also bet that they all disappear faster than the "Friends of Wake County" as soon as the polls close. Too bad all these experts with no more than a dozen posts combined between them are so quiet through the non-election years, taking in money through taxes, creating new projects, and giving the Heismann stiff-arm to the general public which they wish now to activate, and for whom they have nothing but empty contempt. Why doen't this entire new cast of drive-by blow-hards take a hike, we don't need to hear your rhetoric at the eleventh hour.

[DavidB]

Well, as a 'newbie' I want to thank you for the warm reception DarylB. I can feel the love.
Perhaps it is for this reason that folks don't hang around?
TheKid

[DarylB]

Well, as a 'newbie' I want to thank you for the warm reception DarylB. I can feel the love.
Perhaps it is for this reason that folks don't hang around?
TheKid

I put it to you as a challenge to still be here October 7th. My own perception is that you, and the myriad of other newbies, have no vision beyond October 6th.

[dhyatt]

Well, as a 'newbie' I want to thank you for the warm reception DarylB. I can feel the love.
Perhaps it is for this reason that folks don't hang around?
TheKid

Stroh,
What DarylB thinks is not nearly as important as what I think and I welcome you to CP. Emotions always get a bit heated during election season but things will calm down once it's all over.

[DarylB]

What DarylB thinks is not nearly as important as what I think .......

Don, Are you sure you're not already a member of Cary Town Council?

[chaboard]

[

I put it to you as a challenge to still be here October 7th. My own perception is that you, and the myriad of other newbies, have no vision beyond October 6th.

But I bet most of those newbies actually know that election day is the 9th. Which would apparently put them one up on you. ;)

[DarylB]

[

I put it to you as a challenge to still be here October 7th. My own perception is that you, and the myriad of other newbies, have no vision beyond October 6th.

But I bet most of those newbies actually know that election day is the 9th. Which would apparently put them one up on you. ;)

I guess that's what happens when you aren't allowed to vote!

[dhyatt]

What DarylB thinks is not nearly as important as what I think .......

Don, Are you sure you're not already a member of Cary Town Council?

I figured I should start practicing early ;-)

[DavidB]

Don Hyatt for Town Council in 2009! Has a nice ring to it!

[DavidB]

Did anyone else hear about the Glennaire event when the Mayor was asked about the explosive growth of multi-family units in Cary? Apparently he had to ask Vickie Maxwell about the numbers that were provided to her from his own Planning Department. In any event, is Cary ready for a near doubling of the amount of the number of multi-family units? Considering the traffic and infrastructure issues that seem to dominate voter's concerns, one would think that these developments would be slowed down considerably?

[kellyc]

Did anyone else hear about the Glennaire event when the Mayor was asked about the explosive growth of multi-family units in Cary? Apparently he had to ask Vickie Maxwell about the numbers that were provided to her from his own Planning Department. In any event, is Cary ready for a near doubling of the amount of the number of multi-family units? Considering the traffic and infrastructure issues that seem to dominate voter's concerns, one would think that these developments would be slowed down considerably?

In defense of the Mayor, had I been asked the same question I would have also asked her where she got her numbers from. One to see who is feeding her information and two to see if it is a reliable source. Nothing wrong at all with that.

[DavidB]

Hi Kelly,
I agree, but since he sits on the Council, wouldn't one think that he would have some knowledge of how many multi-unit developments he has seen pass his desk? Presumable he has voted on some if not all of those proposed? Wouldn't it be prudent as a Mayor running for re-election, in part when the main issue is growth, to have staff present him with information like this?
TheKid

[MattD]

Hi Kelly,
I agree, but since he sits on the Council, wouldn't one think that he would have some knowledge of how many multi-unit developments he has seen pass his desk? Presumable he has voted on some if not all of those proposed? Wouldn't it be prudent as a Mayor running for re-election, in part when the main issue is growth, to have staff present him with information like this?
TheKid

Actually, if the property is already zoned for a specific use (i.e. high density), then it does not go before Council for a vote. At that point, it is Staff review.

To clarify, not all multi-unit developments are apartments. This could include: condos, townhouses, senior housing, group housing and zero lot line homes.

[DavidB]

Thanks for that clarification Matt. A very important point. The growth of these multi-family units IS an important issue as well. Considering the infrastructure issues, traffic, and crime that grows exponentially with their development, all Council members should have a keen eye towards these types of projects. No?

[MattD]

Thanks for that clarification Matt. A very important point. The growth of these multi-family units IS an important issue as well. Considering the infrastructure issues, traffic, and crime that grows exponentially with their development, all Council members should have a keen eye towards these types of projects. No?

Actually that is incorrect and a bit sterotypical that crime will grow in multi-family units. Regarding infrastructure issues, townhouses are ususally houses built "in town" that typically already has existing infrastructure.

I just did a search of Townhouses and Condos for sale in the Cary areawith a price range of $250,000. There were 96 listings, including 19 priced at $500,000+. To be fair (as I always try to be), there are 243 listing in for TH/Condos priced $250 and below.

My company is doing an in-fill townhome community in downtown Cary. The average home will be $243,000. Drees Homes just completed a 50-unit townhouse community behind Don Frantz automotive and their last home sold in the $210 range. Town Council and downtown business WELCOME this type of redevelopment as property values will go up and more citizens with discretionary spending will be able to help revitalize the downtown area.

Here in Amberly, townhouses are more expensive then many of the single-family houses.

Just my biased two cents...

[kellyc]

Hi Kelly,
I agree, but since he sits on the Council, wouldn't one think that he would have some knowledge of how many multi-unit developments he has seen pass his desk? Presumable he has voted on some if not all of those proposed? Wouldn't it be prudent as a Mayor running for re-election, in part when the main issue is growth, to have staff present him with information like this?
TheKid

I would think he would have a rough idea, yes. An accurate/exact number Im not sure. However the question did ask about her numbers and Ernie if I recall simply asked her to restate her numbers and where she got them. If he wasnt sure what numbers she had mentioned, he would have been a fool to agree either way.

[DarylB]

Hi Kelly,
I agree, but since he sits on the Council, wouldn't one think that he would have some knowledge of how many multi-unit developments he has seen pass his desk? Presumable he has voted on some if not all of those proposed? Wouldn't it be prudent as a Mayor running for re-election, in part when the main issue is growth, to have staff present him with information like this?
TheKid

I would think he would have a rough idea, yes. An accurate/exact number Im not sure. However the question did ask about her numbers and Ernie if I recall simply asked her to restate her numbers and where she got them. If he wasnt sure what numbers she had mentioned, he would have been a fool to agree either way.

I don't think the problem is based on one question, or one answer, but is more one of an overall attitude of indifference.

Ernie's problem isn't that he can't or won't "move the town forward", as he's been claiming in his recent commercials.. Ernie's problem is that he's going to "move the town forward" on the backs of the average citizen, when often "forward" is clearly not the direction to go. There are those times when the best route is the one to the side, or even to take a step back, for the best interests of the town and its citzens. Metastatic growth figures are one such case.

Ernie, for all of his good traits, is clearly going to go throughout his life pushing with all his might, effort, and conviction, on doors that are clearly marked "PULL".

He's willing to flat knock the average citizen down, as he did in the case of my neighbor, who, refusing to agree to the terms of the GigaPooper across his property, just coldly signed the eminent domain paperwork to take his property from him. Ernie never has come out to this area to see the ill will and damaage, and my guess is he couldn't find it with the aid of a good GPS. He refuses to listen to public input, and is quite bluntly nothing more than a bull in a china shop. If you've ever seen him scolding those present at "Public Speaks Out" sessions of the Town council, you'll immediately understand that he envisions the town government as a dictatorship, with himself serving in the role of Idi Amin McAlister, dictator for life.

McAlister not only bulldozes trees, but he is far more guilty of bulldozing people. That's unforgivable, and that's why he needs to go. He simply lacks a basic modicum of respect for those whom he has sworn and pledged to serve, and serves only those from whom he can personally gain financially.

[Brent]

According to Mayor Pro Tem Jack Smith, high-density residential development is up 1,500% in Cary in the past few years.

Yes, that is one thousand, five hundred per cent.

[DaveBrandywine]

Wow.....that does not sound like restrained, or managed, or balanced growth at all to me?

[Brent]

Wow.....that does not sound like restrained, or managed, or balanced growth at all to me?

I would agree. But then, you seem to constrain yourself to dealing with truth and facts, unlike other shrill voices that clearly will say anything and everything to stay in control.

The Old Guard is a tough nut to crack.

[johnshaw]

Thanks for that clarification Matt. A very important point. The growth of these multi-family units IS an important issue as well. Considering the infrastructure issues, traffic, and crime that grows exponentially with their development, all Council members should have a keen eye towards these types of projects. No?

Actually that is incorrect and a bit sterotypical that crime will grow in multi-family units. Regarding infrastructure issues, townhouses are ususally houses built "in town" that typically already has existing infrastructure.

I just did a search of Townhouses and Condos for sale in the Cary areawith a price range of $250,000. There were 96 listings, including 19 priced at $500,000+. To be fair (as I always try to be), there are 243 listing in for TH/Condos priced $250 and below.

My company is doing an in-fill townhome community in downtown Cary. The average home will be $243,000. Drees Homes just completed a 50-unit townhouse community behind Don Frantz automotive and their last home sold in the $210 range. Town Council and downtown business WELCOME this type of redevelopment as property values will go up and more citizens with discretionary spending will be able to help revitalize the downtown area.

Here in Amberly, townhouses are more expensive then many of the single-family houses.

Just my biased two cents...

Matt,
I live in a townhouse in West Cary, so I have my own biases.

I have also lived in a number of apartment complexes around the country (as second homes while working in an area). The term multi-family unit can refer, as you point out, to both apartments and to condos and townhouses.

Just a few observations:

Apartments are different from Townhouses and condos regarding noise and "behavior" issues, including crime. This probably has less to do with the multi-family characteristic, but may be because of the difference between renters and owners, the more transient nature of apartment renters, and particularly to the age. Apartment renters, from my observation, are more likely to be young while condo and townhouse owners are more likely to be older, often retired, people.

The infrastructure requirements for all multi-family type units (in newly developed areas) are less per family than single family houses with even small lots.

However, the use of multi-family units will allow more families to be squeezed into a given size area. This is particularly noticeable with apartment complexes. A large area of multi-family units will result in a significant traffic problem from my experience.

Condo and townhouse infill development can reduce sprawl, but, particularly for larger developments, traffic is a serious consideration and may limit the number of units that can be placed in an area.

The Town Council should certainly carefully examine the infrastructure and traffic effect before approving a high density development.

[DaveBrandywine]

I agree JohnShaw. Plus the family size will have an impact on the schools situation.