Nels' Roseland Campaign Finance Report

[dhyatt]

We present some interesting pages from the report, along with a few notes...

Roseland Campaign Report (http://carypolitics.org/Nels-Campaign-Finance-Report.pdf)

Read it and judge for yourself.

[d4vendel]

$2,218 could have bought a lot of shoes!

(For those who were not around 4 years ago or were just not paying attention then, Nels put a pair of walking shoes on his report during the last District B election cycle.)

[dhyatt]

A few highlights from the complete report:
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Total Raised - $30,946.00

It turns out that Joseph Carroll, the "concerned senior citizen" who wrote Nels "did his homework" in a Cary News LTE, is also Nels' Treasurer.

Report lists 63 individual cash/check campaign contributions, 41 of which appear to be from Development/Real estate/Construction interests.

Individual contributions of note:
James Goodnight - $1000.00
George Jordan Development - 2 donations for $2000.00 total
Robert Butler - BESTTHINKING.com for $3000.00
Al Hashemi - $1000.00
Roy Mashburn - Perimeter Realty - $2000.00
3 Separate Sears family members, William (Bill), John, and J.D for $1500.00 total
Chuck Smith - $500.00 cash and $511.00 in kind for fundraiser luncheon at Preston

39 Outside of Cary city limits- 24 From inside Cary city limits

[Rich]

I am not trying to indicate anything illicit, but that is an expensive software and monitor package. That is either a HUGE screen (perhaps for use at meetings?) or a multiple license package for installation on many computers.

[Wuptdo]

AdminH wrote:

It turns out that Joseph Carroll, the "concerned senior citizen" who wrote Nels "did his homework" in a Cary News LTE, is also Nels' Treasurer.


It would certainly be nice, if the Cary News (and NandO) would disclose that a letter writer has or is a campaign worker as well. For instance, under Mr. Carroll's LTE it would say: "Mr. Carroll is treasurer of Nels Roseland's campaign."

JohnB was very good at "outing" the LTE's of letter past.

just my 2 cents.

Wuptdo B-)

[Brent]

Apparently Nels doesn't want to be called "Shoeboy" this year.

Is he going for "PentiumBoy"?

[DarylB]

Apparently Nels doesn't want to be called "Shoeboy" this year.

Is he going for "PentiumBoy"?

or "SASBoy", perhaps?

[OkyDoky]

Apparently Nels doesn't want to be called "Shoeboy" this year.

Is he going for "PentiumBoy"?

I think "DellDummy" will works nicely. :lol: While probably technically defensible (sorry for the pun) - That was poor judgment in my view.

Oky

[Karen]

I can see needing a computer, or even computers, in order to run a large scale campaign. State wide/country wide for example. But a small local district election??? I'm not questioning the legality of it, just questioning the need. What computer did he use for the election 4 years ago? His shoe purchase is looking better and better... :roll:

~karen

[Rich]

What is the tax status of contributions? If there is some tax advantage to buying a computer using campaign funds, it certainly would be difficult to crow too loud about the practice as I am sure the overwhelming majority of us play the game of deduction maximization before April 15 each year.

[TommyB]

I can see needing a computer, or even computers, in order to run a large scale campaign. State wide/country wide for example. But a small local district election??? I'm not questioning the legality of it, just questioning the need. What computer did he use for the election 4 years ago? His shoe purchase is looking better and better... :roll:

~karen

Wow, I'm running in an At-Large race using an abacus, carrier pigeons and smoke signals . . . :wink: (well, maybe the smoke signals are over the top). While it is entertaining to speculate, I'm willing give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

Anyone got a recent Dell mailer? - send to my PO Box at www.byrdforcay.com - thanks.

TB

[Karen]

Wow, I'm running in an At-Large race using an abacus, carrier pigeons and smoke signals . . . :wink: (well, maybe the smoke signals are over the top). While it is entertaining to speculate, I'm willing give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

Anyone got a recent Dell mailer? - send to my PO Box at www.byrdforcay.com - thanks.

TB

Tommy,

I'm willing to bet that you already own a computer and don't feel the need for a brand new one to run your campaign at the expense of your contributors. :wink: Oh, and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt but can also give my first reaction thoughts on the matter can't I? :-D

~karen

edited to add... Tommy, I can see how my post could have been misinterpreted. Of course a computer is much needed in running a campaign in this day and age. My assumption was that Mr. Roseland already owned his own personal computer and wondered why he required a new one at the expense of his contributors. I could very well see new computers being bought with campaign money for a very large campaign to support a large campaign staff, ie the Presidential race...personally I don't see it for a small local race.

[DarylB]

As for myself and my ongoing campaign for the Wake County Soil and Water Conservation board, I NOW feel that I really need a supercomputer to solve Wake counties issues associated with GLOBAL WARMING!!! I'm quite certain jamie and Dharma are chomping at the bit to contribute to this noble cause.... :lol:

[Brent]

Apparently Nels doesn't want to be called "Shoeboy" this year.

Is he going for "PentiumBoy"?

I think "DellDummy" will works nicely. :lol: While probably technically defensible (sorry for the pun) - That was poor judgment in my view.

Oky

Dude, Nels is gettin' a Dell!

Campaign expenditures now must be for items directly related to the campaign (recent change in law).

That being the case, will Nels be giving away this PC after the election???

[Brent]

I'm willing to bet that you already own a computer and don't feel the need for a brand new one to run your campaign at the expense of your contributers.

Karen,

That's exactly the point.

Do you think that his campaign contributors ever dreamed that their $ would go to be Nels a new computer for his continue use? Of course not.

Then again, all those developers don't care, and all those developer $$$ to the "chief architect of Cary's open space program" is very, very, worrisome.

[JoeCiulla]

As for myself and my ongoing campaign for the Wake County Soil and Water Conservation board, I NOW feel that I really need a supercomputer to solve Wake counties issues associated with GLOBAL WARMING!!! I'm quite certain jamie and Dharma are chomping at the bit to contribute to this noble cause.... :lol:

Daryl,
Got your back on this one. Here's the computer Ernie needs to count all his campaign contributions, I am sure he would let you use it once he gets voted out of office.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/kid4rock/computer.jpg

[Brent]

As for myself and my ongoing campaign for the Wake County Soil and Water Conservation board, I NOW feel that I really need a supercomputer to solve Wake counties issues associated with GLOBAL WARMING!!! I'm quite certain jamie and Dharma are chomping at the bit to contribute to this noble cause.... :lol:

Daryl,
Got your back on this one. Here's the computer Ernie needs to count all his campaign contributions, I am sure he would let you use it once he gets voted out of office.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/kid4rock/computer.jpg

Joe,

Thousands more came in during the latest reporting period, once again just about all from developers.

Stand back from the computer. She's overheatin' Cahp-tain. She cahn't take any mooorrrrrrre.

I'll bet that Ernie will have one of the highest $/vote ratios ever in this county. Too many dollars, not enough votes.

[DarylB]

As for myself and my ongoing campaign for the Wake County Soil and Water Conservation board, I NOW feel that I really need a supercomputer to solve Wake counties issues associated with GLOBAL WARMING!!! I'm quite certain jamie and Dharma are chomping at the bit to contribute to this noble cause.... :lol:

Daryl,
Got your back on this one. Here's the computer Ernie needs to count all his campaign contributions, I am sure he would let you use it once he gets voted out of office.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/kid4rock/computer.jpg

Grapevine has it that you can now contribute directly to his campaign from the field, since Ernie has been working behind the scenes to equip all bulldozers, earthmovers, and backhoes with Visa and MasterCard machines, allowing builders and developers to make campaign contributions from all construction site locations, allowing them to never have to slow down or miss a lick of "progress"..... Those massively networked Ernie campaign computers are hummin' bigtime.

http://finance.cat.com/cda/files/308101/7/CatAccessAccountCard.jpg
With Christmas not so far around the corner, you may also be wanting to think about those things you can get for him from his CATERPILLAR GIFT LIST!
http://www.cat.com/menus/4/79/37821/7/1132335336332/apparel_banner.jpghttp://www.cat.com/public/29/65/286417/7/1132169219593/f/175XUNLIMTED_6.jpg

[Karen]

Apparently Nels doesn't want to be called "Shoeboy" this year.

Is he going for "PentiumBoy"?

I think "DellDummy" will works nicely. :lol: While probably technically defensible (sorry for the pun) - That was poor judgment in my view.

Oky

Dude, Nels is gettin' a Dell!

Campaign expenditures now must be for items directly related to the campaign (recent change in law).

That being the case, will Nels be giving away this PC after the election???

Brent,

I wondered this as well. I know I'd be a little miffed to know that the money I gave a certain candidate, who shall not be named :wink:, went to a computer that he would be using for his personal use after the election was over. But, in the spirit of TommyB, I will give the benefit of the doubt that the computer in question on this thread will not be used for anything other than campaign purposes. :D

~karen

[3LeggedDog]

We present some interesting pages from the report, along with a few notes...

Roseland Campaign Report (http://carypolitics.org/Nels-Campaign-Finance-Report.pdf)

Read it and judge for yourself.

Dude - are you vicky don's political hack or did their campaign reports not interest you. what about other races?

[dhyatt]

We present some interesting pages from the report, along with a few notes...

Roseland Campaign Report (http://carypolitics.org/Nels-Campaign-Finance-Report.pdf)

Read it and judge for yourself.

Dude - are you vicky don's political hack or did their campaign reports not interest you. what about other races?

I haven't had time to gather and parse the other reports (Nels' found it's way to me all by itself ;-) ). If anyone gets me the scans and the highlights of the other reports, I'll be more than happy to post them. Otherwise, you'll have to wait until next week when I can get to it (hopefully). I know it probably doesn't seem that way to some of you but I do have a life outside of Cary Politics :-)

[Brent]

OK, folks, I think, thanks to the good ideas posted here, that I've come up with Nels's new moniker for 2007 (to replace "Shoeboy" of 4 years ago).

Please comment on this:

Dells Roseland

(now, to be sure, others in various races deserve nicknames, too...However, Dells gets to go first because of his ridiculous (arrogant or ignorant, don't know, but ridiculous in any case) computer purchase.

[Wuptdo]

Two things come to mind:

1) At least he didn't buy an Apple or Mac; :lol: :lol:

2) "Sort of" an insult to all the hard working IBM families in the area;

But then again, ever since "Tax Hike" Mike & NCGL "sold" part of North Carolina to DELL a few years back, maybe there is an expectation of brand loyalty to the new Overlord.

Brent wrote:

Dells Roseland

Good one, Brent. :D :D

"Nels n' Dells Roseland"

:roll:

Going back to simpler and happier time:

http://oldcomputers.net/pics/kayproii.jpg
The Kaypro II Computer, Ronald Reagan(PBUH) was President, and Cary had less than 10,000 people living in it.

Wuptdo B-)

[dtowncary]

All local campaigns have administrative and overhead expenses and direct media or voter communication expenses. With Nels raising $31,000, Don and Vickie's concerns should not be the $2200 PC (about 7%) of overall receipts. They should be worried about the 93% or $29,000 in direct mail or voter communication. The message Nels is creating on the PC with the remaining kitty should be interesting.

Heard through the grapevine, that Frant's biggest financial supporter is Curtis Westbrook, Cary's biggest trailer park developer. He also has Ram Bashyam listed on his endorsement page. I guess Ram is covering all of his bases.

[dhyatt]

[snip]
The message Nels is creating on the PC with the remaining kitty should be interesting.

[snip]

I hope so! Things have been a bit dull and it would nice to see some kind of fireworks before Oct 9th. After all, it is the future of our town we're talking about here... I'd be happy just to hear a consistent estimate of the cost of the proposed downtown arts center, should such a thing come to fruition. I've heard everything from $20M to almost $100M. That's one heck of a difference.

It also seems a bit odd to me that developers / builders / realtors et al can come up with a cool quarter million bucks for the mayoral campaign and yet couldn't cough up a hundred grand for CCF. Something just doesn't add up there.

[Don]

With Nels raising $31,000, Don and Vickie's concerns should not be the $2200 PC

Hey Nels,
It's not a concern - I just want to know if I can go to your house after the election and play Worlds of Warcraft on it. That thing has to have some serious graphics and sound to cost that much money. Oughta be cool! :wink:



He also has Ram Bashyam listed on his endorsement page. I guess Ram is covering all of his bases.

Not really - he gave me 20 bucks. Maybe if I had voted for his development I would have gotten more? Is that how that works? You're the expert - you tell me.

[dhyatt]

"dtowncary" = Nels ???? Maybe, but as admin I can't say for sure... :?

[Lurkie]

Don: You've got a good chance of winning this race, don't lose your edge by being petty.

Lurkie

[Don]

My bad, Lurkie. You are correct. The jab at Curtis rubbed me wrong. I consider him a friend and a man of integrity that has invested quite a bit of his own money and time in downtown Cary's future.

Don,
I would bet the farm that dtowncary is Nels. I could explain why, but I'll take Lurkie's advice and leave it at that.

[DarylB]

My bad, Lurkie. You are correct. The jab at Curtis rubbed me wrong. I consider him a friend and a man of integrity that has invested quite a bit of his own money and time in downtown Cary's future.

Don,
I would bet the farm that dtowncary is Nels. I could explain why, but I'll take Lurkie's advice and leave it at that.

I for one appreciate honesty and transparency. We all know Don, and he has never hidden either his views or his identity that I know of.

Does it make sense that ANY politician should find it necessary to do so? If they can't be honest enough to even share their name alongside their opinion, I for one don't believe they have any place in government, and they certainly don't deserve the respect they expect as representatives of the people. To me, it isn't just that it's a cowardly stance to take, but it serves to distance the decisionmakers from the governed.

That's a big problem in Cary government, where we have some who would prefer to operate "Wizard of Oz" style, with fire and bombast from behind a curtain, but never, EVER allowing themselves to be criticized or held accountable. If "dtowncary" is Nels, then he now knows how I feel. I wish others would speak openly, and honestly. I'm just glad Don does so, and that is just one more reason I hope he's elected. Unfortunately, those who hide themselves as I've described, "dtowncary" among them, continue to prevent me from casting my vote. How much different is it for a government official to hide themselves and their identity from the governed, than it was for those members of the Klan, riding in the dark of night in sheets and hoods? We all should fear and fire those who insist on government by graft and deception. We deserve better.

[Brent]

If dtowncary is in fact Nels (Dells), which seems quite plausible, why would he hide?

I applaud Don F. & Tommy for posting here transparently.

If Dells is going to post, he should do the same.

Why would he hide? The only reason I can think of is to play silly political head games. Dells wouldn't do that...would he?

[JoeCiulla]

While you're on the subject, here's a great quote from Nels....

"To approve thousands of new houses and developments in Cary without taking responsibility, or some responsibility, to provide school resources would be irresponsible on our part"
-- Nels Roseland 8/21/07

[kellyc]

While you're on the subject, here's a great quote from Nels....

"To approve thousands of new houses and developments in Cary without taking responsibility, or some responsibility, to provide school resources would be irresponsible on our part"
-- Nels Roseland 8/21/07

But Joe aren't you also responsible for our growth issues. You did buy two brand new houses in brand new subdivisons?

I agree we need to manage growth better, and I am doing all I can from my end to do so. I just find it odd that someone who reaped the benefits of our towns growth policies twice suddenly has a problem with them. Just odd and very interesting.

[JoeCiulla]

Kelly,

I thought we were past this.

Just so you know... I bought my first new house here 15 years ago. We carefully studied schools and chose our home with the education of our children as our number one concern. My wife was pregnant with our first child at that time, but we were planning ahead. While in that home we were redistricted several times, and when my oldest son was ready to begin kindergarten we were slated for one of the poorest-performing elementary schools in Cary, one in which 60% of students passed EOG's.

We applied for transfers and were denied. Private schools were unaffordable. We were left with no option but to leave our home and wonderful neighbors and relocate to an area where we felt our chances of being assigned to a better school were better. Thus, we purchased our second new home. Since then, the mismatch between Cary growth and school capacity has caused my kids to be redistricted twice again. I believe I have every right in the world to speak on this subject.

... and before you go there again, let me openly declare to all those here: I DID NOT VOTE IN THE LAST ELECTION, AND MY VOTING RECORD STINKS.

You imply that because I moved here 15 years ago that I am 'part of the problem,' and therefore should shut up and accept the problems of growth. Think about it, probably 60,000 people have move here in the last 15 years, should they all remain quiet?

In the past year, I have taken a much more active interest in the affairs of my town and the county school board. I have attended board of education meetings, spoken at several town council meetings, and spent a lot of time doing more than just writing letters -- how I spend that time is my business.

I'm not sure what more is required to get your stamp of approval and permission to speak. Like I said before, every time you attack someone who wants to get involved in local politics because their voting record stinks or they made the mistake of purchasing a new home (and thus, are part of the problem), all you are doing is discouraging them from participation.

I don't think that is your intent, but that is in fact the effect.

[kellyc]

No Joe... no desire to attack. Im too old or to tired to get in an attack(newborn). Its just interesting to me. I see a lot of people who buy in new areas that suddenly dont want growth in Cary to continue. It comes up all the time on P&Z. And I do understand it to some extent. It's not you personally at all. Its just a movement that is intriguing to me. It would be no different than say someone who took advantage of other benefits of the town (for example the facade or the flood buyout program) and then suddenly being against it. It's honestly just intriguing. And I understand your home movement. I would do the same thing if I were you. But you did contribute to growth, just as every person who sells an existing house and moves into a new subdivision is contributing to it. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Its a fact of life.

Im glad your involved in our government. I think that the lack of involvement by soooo many people is what got us in the bind we are in today. I just hope that the involvement continues across the board and in the future. The future wont stop with our next election.

PS as for your voting record...you cant change the past, but you are doing something that I wish more would do. You righted the course! That in the end is all that matters.

[MattD]

But you did contribute to growth, just as every person who sells an existing house and moves into a new subdivision is contributing to it. .

...buys in a new subdivision OR has kids, right, Kelly? (Signed Matthew who has two kids born in Cary, sold our Kildaire Farm house for a home in Amberly).

[kellyc]

But you did contribute to growth, just as every person who sells an existing house and moves into a new subdivision is contributing to it. .

...buys in a new subdivision OR has kids, right, Kelly? (Signed Matthew who has two kids born in Cary, sold our Kildaire Farm house for a home in Amberly).

Yep! But Ernie and Nels aren't to blame for one of those kinds of growth. At least not in my household :-)

Kelly