Holiday artwork from public shool students?

[DarylB]

Friday, December 14, 2007
Looking for holiday student artwork

We are not too proud here to beg 8-O for some help finding good holiday-themed student artwork.

The goal is to run as much as a full page of student artwork on Dec. 26. We’d like things which are in keeping with a Christmas, holiday or winter feel.

As long as you live in the Triangle, we’ll take pieces from students in traditional public schools, charter schools, private schools and home schools.

Please e-mail images of the artwork to schools@newsobserver.com by the end of next week. Please include the name, age, grade, school and town of residence for the student. Please also list the teacher who the student did the work for.


So it seems that the N&O has worked along with WCPSS to wipe out religion from ever raising its ugly head in the public scool system, only to turn around and look for "Holiday" (as in Orig: Holy days of the Catholic church) artwork? What do they anticipate doing if the infant Jesus shows up in one the pieces (as oposed to Santa andd the reindeer), censor it as inappropriate?

[francejamie]

Friday, December 14, 2007
Looking for holiday student artwork

We are not too proud here to beg 8-O for some help finding good holiday-themed student artwork.

The goal is to run as much as a full page of student artwork on Dec. 26. We’d like things which are in keeping with a Christmas, holiday or winter feel.

As long as you live in the Triangle, we’ll take pieces from students in traditional public schools, charter schools, private schools and home schools.

Please e-mail images of the artwork to schools@newsobserver.com by the end of next week. Please include the name, age, grade, school and town of residence for the student. Please also list the teacher who the student did the work for.


So it seems that the N&O has worked along with WCPSS to wipe out religion from ever raising its ugly head in the public scool system, only to turn around and look for "Holiday" (as in Orig: Holy days of the Catholic church) artwork? What do they anticipate doing if the infant Jesus shows up in one the pieces (as oposed to Santa andd the reindeer), censor it as inappropriate?

Or maybe we could get people riled up at them in anticipation of something they MIGHT do?

[Caryatid]

Friday, December 14, 2007
Looking for holiday student artwork

We are not too proud here to beg 8-O for some help finding good holiday-themed student artwork.

The goal is to run as much as a full page of student artwork on Dec. 26. We’d like things which are in keeping with a Christmas, holiday or winter feel.

As long as you live in the Triangle, we’ll take pieces from students in traditional public schools, charter schools, private schools and home schools.

Please e-mail images of the artwork to schools@newsobserver.com by the end of next week. Please include the name, age, grade, school and town of residence for the student. Please also list the teacher who the student did the work for.


So it seems that the N&O has worked along with WCPSS to wipe out religion from ever raising its ugly head in the public scool system, only to turn around and look for "Holiday" (as in Orig: Holy days of the Catholic church) artwork? What do they anticipate doing if the infant Jesus shows up in one the pieces (as oposed to Santa andd the reindeer), censor it as inappropriate?

Dude...are you that desperate to have someone to hate that you're ready to read nefarious motives into EVERYTHING? I mean, they're even explicitly inviting charter and home schools to participate, what more do you want? 8O

[DarylB]

Friday, December 14, 2007
Looking for holiday student artwork

We are not too proud here to beg 8-O for some help finding good holiday-themed student artwork.

The goal is to run as much as a full page of student artwork on Dec. 26. We’d like things which are in keeping with a Christmas, holiday or winter feel.

As long as you live in the Triangle, we’ll take pieces from students in traditional public schools, charter schools, private schools and home schools.

Please e-mail images of the artwork to schools@newsobserver.com by the end of next week. Please include the name, age, grade, school and town of residence for the student. Please also list the teacher who the student did the work for.


So it seems that the N&O has worked along with WCPSS to wipe out religion from ever raising its ugly head in the public scool system, only to turn around and look for "Holiday" (as in Orig: Holy days of the Catholic church) artwork? What do they anticipate doing if the infant Jesus shows up in one the pieces (as oposed to Santa andd the reindeer), censor it as inappropriate?

Dude...are you that desperate to have someone to hate that you're ready to read nefarious motives into EVERYTHING? I mean, they're even explicitly inviting charter and home schools to participate, what more do you want? 8O

Why does the bizarre behavior inherent in taking christianity out of the schools via lawsuit and legislation, followed by an invitiation to submit "holy day" artwork, not strike you as hypocritical? Will it be a success story when there is no public school "holy day" (AKA holiday) artwork submitted, having finally eradicated religion?

[MattD]

[quote="DarylB"]
... "Holiday" (as in Orig: Holy days of the Catholic church)

It is thought that origin of the word, hāligdæg (Old English) is from around 950 AD. However, like many words used today, different meanings of the word has evolved. For example, Americans celebrate the 4th of July holiday, which is not considered a religious holy day.

From Dictionary.com:

hol·i·day /ˈhɒlɪˌdeɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hol-i-dey] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a day fixed by law or custom on which ordinary business is suspended in commemoration of some event or in honor of some person.
2. any day of exemption from work (distinguished from working day).
3. a time or period of exemption from any requirement, duty, assessment, etc.: New businesses may be granted a one-year tax holiday.
4. a religious feast day; holy day, esp. any of several usually commemorative holy days observed in Judaism.
5. Sometimes, holidays. Chiefly British. a period of cessation from work or one of recreation; vacation.
6. an unintentional gap left on a plated, coated, or painted surface.
–adjective 7. of or pertaining to a festival; festive; joyous: a holiday mood.
8. suitable for a holiday: holiday attire.
–verb (used without object) 9. Chiefly British. to vacation: to holiday at the seaside.

[francejamie]

Why does the bizarre behavior inherent in taking christianity out of the schools via lawsuit and legislation, followed by an invitiation to submit "holy day" artwork, not strike you as hypocritical? Will it be a success story when there is no public school "holy day" (AKA holiday) artwork submitted, having finally eradicated religion?

Why are many Christians so freakin' paranoid. People are just trying to honor the seperation of church and state and not favor Christianity over any other religion. In doing so, they are trying to remove any active preaching from government institutions.

As a result, many Christians cry out about how persecuted they are, and how all other religions are being treated so much better.
That's BS. Christianity has managed to achieve a favored status in our country due to the vast majority of Christians. And that's just not right. No religion should ever be favored by our government.

Just go to your church and pray, or pray at home, or sit at your desk and pray. Whatever. I fully support your doing all that. Just stop trying to use my taxpayer dollars to promote your religion and teach it to children in public schools.

[Caryatid]

Friday, December 14, 2007
Looking for holiday student artwork

We are not too proud here to beg 8-O for some help finding good holiday-themed student artwork.

The goal is to run as much as a full page of student artwork on Dec. 26. We’d like things which are in keeping with a Christmas, holiday or winter feel.

As long as you live in the Triangle, we’ll take pieces from students in traditional public schools, charter schools, private schools and home schools.

Please e-mail images of the artwork to schools@newsobserver.com by the end of next week. Please include the name, age, grade, school and town of residence for the student. Please also list the teacher who the student did the work for.


So it seems that the N&O has worked along with WCPSS to wipe out religion from ever raising its ugly head in the public scool system, only to turn around and look for "Holiday" (as in Orig: Holy days of the Catholic church) artwork? What do they anticipate doing if the infant Jesus shows up in one the pieces (as oposed to Santa andd the reindeer), censor it as inappropriate?

Dude...are you that desperate to have someone to hate that you're ready to read nefarious motives into EVERYTHING? I mean, they're even explicitly inviting charter and home schools to participate, what more do you want? 8O

Why does the bizarre behavior inherent in taking christianity out of the schools via lawsuit and legislation, followed by an invitiation to submit "holy day" artwork, not strike you as hypocritical? Will it be a success story when there is no public school "holy day" (AKA holiday) artwork submitted, having finally eradicated religion?

The only bizarre behavior I see here is yours.

You didn't respond to my point about the N&O inviting private, charter and home schools to participate. I would imagine Cardinal Gibbons is therefore available, as is Bubba Joe McJimBob's Godly School of the Holy Fire. Rather than bitch about a potential conspiracy theory, why not write to them and get them to have a student send in a drawing of Jesus smiting Santa and the godless liberals and casting them down into the pits of Hell, and THEN complain when the N&O doesn't publish it.

[DarylB]

You didn't respond to my point about the N&O inviting private, charter and home schools to participate.

Because there hasn't been a history of lawsuits and anti-Christian legislation banning prayer, religion, etc at home and in private schools. I think the use of taxpayer money to push such initiatives, and then to use the kids to publish religious artwork at "Christmas-time" is abominable. How disengenuous :-x The only logical explanation would be the feelings of guilt these people feel for their persecution and prosecution, sort of like what Ebeneezer Scrooge feels when confronted with his ghosts. Next thing you know, we'll be asking the condemned at Central Prison to design aesthetically pleasing gallows....Bottom line, it smacks of a WCPSS/N&O popularity propaganda push. After all, their commitment to atheism is overcome by their feelings of the Christmas spirit by sponsoring this, so we'll just have to cut them a little slack for their religiously prosecutorial, overtly litigious selves the rest of the year, right?

[Caryatid]

First off, they didn't ask for religious artwork. They asked for artwork with a "Christmas, holiday or winter feel". YOU read religion into that, at the same time that you accuse the N&O of some kind of vast, left-wing conspiracy to annhilate religion in public schools. Peculiar that.

Secondly, my point was that if they're being inclusive of people outside public schools, they're obviously not trying to "slant" anything. If the N&O is part of the War on Christmas, why would they WANT religious artwork? They would ONLY go to the public schools, and try to get nothing but Hanukkah and Kwanzaa art.

Third, your profile says you work in pharmaceuticals. Have you been dipping into the inventory? (Or if not, maybe you should--there's got to be at least a few that could do you some good.)

[DarylB]

First off, they didn't ask for religious artwork. They asked for artwork with a "Christmas, holiday or winter feel". YOU read religion into that, at the same time that you accuse the N&O of some kind of vast, left-wing conspiracy to annhilate religion in public schools. Peculiar that.

Jesus is the reason for the season....

[francejamie]

First off, they didn't ask for religious artwork. They asked for artwork with a "Christmas, holiday or winter feel". YOU read religion into that, at the same time that you accuse the N&O of some kind of vast, left-wing conspiracy to annhilate religion in public schools. Peculiar that.

Jesus is the reason for the season....


Actually, the Winter Solstice is the reason for the season. The Christians just decided to celebrate their holiday at the same time.

Nice try.

[DarylB]

First off, they didn't ask for religious artwork. They asked for artwork with a "Christmas, holiday or winter feel". YOU read religion into that, at the same time that you accuse the N&O of some kind of vast, left-wing conspiracy to annhilate religion in public schools. Peculiar that.

Jesus is the reason for the season....


Actually, the Winter Solstice is the reason for the season. The Christians just decided to celebrate their holiday at the same time.

Nice try.

...And the season, the planet, and the entire universe were created by ___________. Jesus IS the reason for the season.

[francejamie]

First off, they didn't ask for religious artwork. They asked for artwork with a "Christmas, holiday or winter feel". YOU read religion into that, at the same time that you accuse the N&O of some kind of vast, left-wing conspiracy to annhilate religion in public schools. Peculiar that.

Jesus is the reason for the season....


Actually, the Winter Solstice is the reason for the season. The Christians just decided to celebrate their holiday at the same time.

Nice try.

...And the season, the planet, and the entire universe were created by ___________. Jesus IS the reason for the season.

No one is absolutely sure exactly how the universe has evolved.

Some people think that there is some all powerful being who miracuously created everything, but is also concerned about whether or not you personally had sex before you made some vow in his/her name. It's a humorous mythology, but seems pretty harmless for most who believe in it. Of course, like all mythologies, there are a few fanatic believers who are pretty dangerous.

[Brent]

Wow, for being in the "Humor" category, this is most unfunny.

[DarylB]

I originally posted this in the humor section, simply because Hyatt doesn't have a category for Bizarre Irony. It just struck me as odd that a school system so totally devoted to atheism in the public schools would now be "begging" for "Holy Day" artwork. That's funny, in a sad sort of way.

As for Jamie's reply, I think we can just chock that one up to the "arrogance of youth". He hasn't figured out yet hat the dismissive "Some people" he refers to are the few thousands who've confessed to being atheists, vs the billions across the planet who know God exists, whatever the form.

[francejamie]

I originally posted this in the humor section, simply because Hyatt doesn't have a category for Bizarre Irony. It just struck me as odd that a school system so totally devoted to atheism in the public schools would now be "begging" for "Holy Day" artwork. That's funny, in a sad sort of way.

As for Jamie's reply, I think we can just chock that one up to the "arrogance of youth". He hasn't figured out yet hat the dismissive "Some people" he refers to are the few thousands who've confessed to being atheists, vs the billions across the planet who know God exists, whatever the form.


Since Daryl doesn't really have the excuse of the "arrogance of youth," I guess in his case it must just be ignorance. Are school system is in no way "devoted to atheism." Our schools simply attempt to follow the establishment clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. Daryl is just misinterpreting the fact that they don't celebrate and promote Christianity (because it's a vast majority in the US) above all other religions, as being anti-Chrisitan.

Also, he confuses the terms "know" and "believe." The correct way to put it is, billions across the planet who "believe" God exists. Unfortunately for him, mass belief not really based on any facts or evidence doesn't make something true. Let's look back at when the vast majority of people in the world believed that the world was flat. Or how about something tied a little closer to religion. The Church taught everyone that the universe (including the Sun) revolved around the Earth. Most everyone took that as gospel fact. They "knew" that to be true. How well did that that work out for ya?

[DarylB]

We know for fact that there is a creation (the very rocks I pick up and throw at you are suitable enough evidence of this point). It follows that this creation came from a creator. Science has, for its entire history, tried to create something from nothng, even though the very laws of physics upon which all science is based clearly states neither matter nor energy can be either be created or be destroyed. How's that goin' for ya'? Which is harder to believe, that everything we see, touch and feel was never created, or that it was?

[Cathy]

... "Holiday" (as in Orig: Holy days of the Catholic church)

It is thought that origin of the word, hāligdæg (Old English) is from around 950 AD. However, like many words used today, different meanings of the word has evolved. For example, Americans celebrate the 4th of July holiday, which is not considered a religious holy day.

From Dictionary.com:

hol·i·day /ˈhɒlɪˌdeɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hol-i-dey] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a day fixed by law or custom on which ordinary business is suspended in commemoration of some event or in honor of some person.
2. any day of exemption from work (distinguished from working day).
3. a time or period of exemption from any requirement, duty, assessment, etc.: New businesses may be granted a one-year tax holiday.
4. a religious feast day; holy day, esp. any of several usually commemorative holy days observed in Judaism.
5. Sometimes, holidays. Chiefly British. a period of cessation from work or one of recreation; vacation.
6. an unintentional gap left on a plated, coated, or painted surface.
–adjective 7. of or pertaining to a festival; festive; joyous: a holiday mood.
8. suitable for a holiday: holiday attire.
–verb (used without object) 9. Chiefly British. to vacation: to holiday at the seaside.

Matt,

You ommitted a line from the online dictionary that comes immediately after the ones you posted:

[Origin: bef. 950; ME; OE hāligdæg. See holy (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=holy), day (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=day)]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=holiday

[francejamie]

We know for fact that there is a creation (the very rocks I pick up and throw at you are suitable enough evidence of this point). It follows that this creation came from a creator. Science has, for its entire history, tried to create something from nothng, even though the very laws of physics upon which all science is based clearly states neither matter nor energy can be either be created or be destroyed. How's that goin' for ya'? Which is harder to believe, that everything we see, touch and feel was never created, or that it was?

We've been down this silly argument of yours before. You want to argue that God created everything. Ok, what created God? You then want to claim that God has been around forever. So, it's ok to believe in the idea of an eternaly existing God, but the posbibility of an eternaly existing expanding and collapsing universe isn't?

As far as the creation. Have you ever been on an island which didn't exist a few hundred years ago, but does now though natural forces (volcanic)? So, did God create that or the natural forces of the world? hmmmmmm.

[francejamie]

... "Holiday" (as in Orig: Holy days of the Catholic church)

It is thought that origin of the word, hāligdæg (Old English) is from around 950 AD. However, like many words used today, different meanings of the word has evolved. For example, Americans celebrate the 4th of July holiday, which is not considered a religious holy day.

From Dictionary.com:

hol·i·day /ˈhɒlɪˌdeɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hol-i-dey] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a day fixed by law or custom on which ordinary business is suspended in commemoration of some event or in honor of some person.
2. any day of exemption from work (distinguished from working day).
3. a time or period of exemption from any requirement, duty, assessment, etc.: New businesses may be granted a one-year tax holiday.
4. a religious feast day; holy day, esp. any of several usually commemorative holy days observed in Judaism.
5. Sometimes, holidays. Chiefly British. a period of cessation from work or one of recreation; vacation.
6. an unintentional gap left on a plated, coated, or painted surface.
–adjective 7. of or pertaining to a festival; festive; joyous: a holiday mood.
8. suitable for a holiday: holiday attire.
–verb (used without object) 9. Chiefly British. to vacation: to holiday at the seaside.

Matt,

You ommitted a line from the online dictionary that comes immediately after the ones you posted:

[Origin: bef. 950; ME; OE hāligdæg. See holy (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=holy), day (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=day)]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=holiday

And this matters why? The origin of the word probably did come from religious roots. What's your point?

Most of our US holidays have nothing to do with religion and the ones which do are celebrated culturaly, not religiously. Or am I missing the deep religious side of the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause?

[francejamie]

As a matter of fact, I'd expect a Chrisitian celebrating the spirit of Christmas to go to midnight Mass, and rather than going out and purchasing expensive electronics for your spouse and kids, you could take that money and use it to help those who are less fortunate to have food and clothes and other necessities. Yet, somehow most people seem to have big expensive presents under their tree on Christmas morning. Yeah, that's the way to celebrate the Saviour's birth... conspicuous consumption.

[MattD]

... "Holiday" (as in Orig: Holy days of the Catholic church)

It is thought that origin of the word, hāligdæg (Old English) is from around 950 AD. However, like many words used today, different meanings of the word has evolved. For example, Americans celebrate the 4th of July holiday, which is not considered a religious holy day.

From Dictionary.com:

hol·i·day /ˈhɒlɪˌdeɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hol-i-dey] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a day fixed by law or custom on which ordinary business is suspended in commemoration of some event or in honor of some person.
2. any day of exemption from work (distinguished from working day).
3. a time or period of exemption from any requirement, duty, assessment, etc.: New businesses may be granted a one-year tax holiday.
4. a religious feast day; holy day, esp. any of several usually commemorative holy days observed in Judaism.
5. Sometimes, holidays. Chiefly British. a period of cessation from work or one of recreation; vacation.
6. an unintentional gap left on a plated, coated, or painted surface.
–adjective 7. of or pertaining to a festival; festive; joyous: a holiday mood.
8. suitable for a holiday: holiday attire.
–verb (used without object) 9. Chiefly British. to vacation: to holiday at the seaside.

Matt,

You ommitted a line from the online dictionary that comes immediately after the ones you posted:

[Origin: bef. 950; ME; OE hāligdæg. See holy (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=holy), day (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=day)]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=holiday

Cathy,

Actually, I thought is was important enough to move to the front of my post. Note I wrote the following:
"It is thought that origin of the word, hāligdæg (Old English) is from around 950 AD."

[DarylB]

Cathy,

Nice catch.... and the Democrats wonder why they're seen as anti-christian! :?

As a matter of fact, I'd expect a Chrisitian celebrating the spirit of Christmas to go to midnight Mass...
Shows what you know.... there are generally about 12 different Christmas Masses available to go to, all very well attended

...and rather than going out and purchasing expensive electronics for your spouse and kids, you could take that money and use it to help those who are less fortunate to have food and clothes and other necessities. Yet, somehow most people seem to have big expensive presents under their tree on Christmas morning. Yeah, that's the way to celebrate the Saviour's birth... conspicuous consumption.
That's the impact of atheism, which even as we speak is still trying to hijack my denomination, and the faith of christians throughout the country.

[francejamie]

Cathy,

Nice catch.... and the Democrats wonder why they're seen as anti-christian! :?

As a matter of fact, I'd expect a Chrisitian celebrating the spirit of Christmas to go to midnight Mass...
Shows what you know.... there are generally about 12 different Christmas Masses available to go to, all very well attended

...and rather than going out and purchasing expensive electronics for your spouse and kids, you could take that money and use it to help those who are less fortunate to have food and clothes and other necessities. Yet, somehow most people seem to have big expensive presents under their tree on Christmas morning. Yeah, that's the way to celebrate the Saviour's birth... conspicuous consumption.
That's the impact of atheism, which even as we speak is still trying to hijack my denomination, and the faith of christians throughout the country.


LOL - you try to blame the consumerism on atheists on one hand, while telling us how tiny a group we are and how ineffectual we are, on the other.
Wow, we must sure be powerful to change those couple hundred million Christians.

You know, you can sit with your family and decide not to buy expensive presents this year, or are those scary atheists going to come and make you buy them whether or not you want to? Hmmm, or maybe you are just using this as an excuse...

Please practice what you preach, or just shut up on this topic.

[MattD]

Cathy,

Nice catch.... and the Democrats wonder why they're seen as anti-christian! :?

DB - Nice catch of what??