Who to vote against?

[DarylB]

North Carolina's turn to vote in the primaries is coming up. As a Republican, I have a unique choice to make... the Republican nominee has been decided, whom I am not particularly enthusiastic about, but it's a done deal.

But the Democrats are still locked in a battle. I really dislike both very much, but am now given a chance to "help" decide, by picking the one I dislike most, and vote for them as a crossover vote, thereby making an impact on the Democratic primary. By choking a little, but asking for a Democratic ballot, and choosing the candidate I revile the most, I can have the effect of voting for a choice that to me makes a difference in the overall outcome. At the very least, it helps to continue the Democratic turmoil, which is a good thing. Rush Limbaugh has already suggested as Republicans, we vote for Hillary. Anybody else planning to do this as well?

[MattD]

North Carolina's turn to vote in the primaries is coming up. As a Republican, I have a unique choice to make... the Republican nominee has been decided, whom I am not particularly enthusiastic about, but it's a done deal.

But the Democrats are still locked in a battle. I really dislike both very much, but am now given a chance to "help" decide, by picking the one I dislike most, and vote for them as a crossover vote, thereby making an impact on the Democratic primary. By choking a little, but asking for a Democratic ballot, and choosing the candidate I revile the most, I can have the effect of voting for a choice that to me makes a difference in the overall outcome. At the very least, it helps to continue the Democratic turmoil, which is a good thing. Rush Limbaugh has already suggested as Republicans, we vote for Hillary. Anybody else planning to do this as well?

So you are a Republican who is a trained puppet that pulls the lever that the puppetmaster tells you? Good to know... ;-)

[DarylB]

North Carolina's turn to vote in the primaries is coming up. As a Republican, I have a unique choice to make... the Republican nominee has been decided, whom I am not particularly enthusiastic about, but it's a done deal.

But the Democrats are still locked in a battle. I really dislike both very much, but am now given a chance to "help" decide, by picking the one I dislike most, and vote for them as a crossover vote, thereby making an impact on the Democratic primary. By choking a little, but asking for a Democratic ballot, and choosing the candidate I revile the most, I can have the effect of voting for a choice that to me makes a difference in the overall outcome. At the very least, it helps to continue the Democratic turmoil, which is a good thing. Rush Limbaugh has already suggested as Republicans, we vote for Hillary. Anybody else planning to do this as well?

So you are a Republican who is a trained puppet that pulls the lever that the puppetmaster tells you? Good to know... ;-)

Cute reply. Dumb, but cute...

Actually, I hardly listen to any talk radio, and I don't watch a lot of TV either, though Hannity and Colmes is usually pretty informative when I take that opportunity. But I also recognize a good idea when I hear it. This is a time when the smugness and arrogance of Democrats is their own worst enemy, and nothing would make me happier than to assist in that process.

[francejamie]

Cute reply. Dumb, but cute...

Actually, I hardly listen to any talk radio, and I don't watch a lot of TV either, though Hannity and Colmes is usually pretty informative when I take that opportunity. But I also recognize a good idea when I hear it. This is a time when the smugness and arrogance of Democrats is their own worst enemy, and nothing would make me happier than to assist in that process.

Particularly when you contrast it against the humility and inclusiveness of the Republicans. Oh, wait, nevermind...

[DarylB]

Just a question, but if the Democrats end up letting the "SuperDelegates" (sic) decide whther Obama or Clinton is their candidate, doesn't that then mean that they were "selected", and not "elected"... inquiring minds want to know!

[Brent]

Daryl, good luck requesting a Democratic primary ballot as a registered Republican. Unless you change party affiliation by this Friday, you're eligible to vote in the Republican primary.

Unaffiliated voters may vote in one party's primary only, so long as the party allows that (currently, both the Republican and Democratic parties allow that...so unafilliated voters have an important choice to make). However, if you're registered with a party, you vote in that party's primary.

I'm not a fan of "crossing over" as a way to "gum up" the other party. And, as with most partisan issues, partisans tend to think it's a great idea when it's to their party's advantage and wail about the unfairness of it all when it's to their party's disadvantage.

[DarylB]

Daryl, good luck requesting a Democratic primary ballot as a registered Republican. Unless you change party affiliation by this Friday, you're eligible to vote in the Republican primary.

Unaffiliated voters may vote in one party's primary only, so long as the party allows that (currently, both the Republican and Democratic parties allow that...so unafilliated voters have an important choice to make). However, if you're registered with a party, you vote in that party's primary.

I'm not a fan of "crossing over" as a way to "gum up" the other party. And, as with most partisan issues, partisans tend to think it's a great idea when it's to their party's advantage and wail about the unfairness of it all when it's to their party's disadvantage.

Yep, I know....thanks! :wink:

For the convenience of others wishing to do the same, go to http://msweb03.co.wake.nc.us/bordelec/downloads/form06.pdf (http://msweb03.co.wake.nc.us/bordelec/downloads/form06.pdf)and download the form. You'll be asked for your previous registration number, if you don't know it already, to do so go to
http://www.wakegov.com/elections/search.htm , search for your name, and enter this information in Section 2 of the voter registration form where requested.

Then, fill out the rest of the form, and fax it back to 919 856-5864, then send your signed original by FRIDAY (4/11/2008 )to:

Wake County Board of Elections
PO Box 695
Raleigh NC 27602

Checking the box for Unaffiliated will enable you to receive a Democratic ballot. Have fun!

Normally, I'm not a big fan of this either, as I've written before... but this year, I'm not a big fan of either the Republicans or the Democrats, as neither party is listening to "We, the People", and I'm pretty certain that "gumming up the works" is about all that's left for a voter to do... so I'm going to be doing my duty!

[Dharma]

Daryl, good luck requesting a Democratic primary ballot as a registered Republican. Unless you change party affiliation by this Friday, you're eligible to vote in the Republican primary.

Unaffiliated voters may vote in one party's primary only, so long as the party allows that (currently, both the Republican and Democratic parties allow that...so unafilliated voters have an important choice to make). However, if you're registered with a party, you vote in that party's primary.

I'm not a fan of "crossing over" as a way to "gum up" the other party. And, as with most partisan issues, partisans tend to think it's a great idea when it's to their party's advantage and wail about the unfairness of it all when it's to their party's disadvantage.

Yep, I know....thanks! :wink:

For the convenience of others wishing to do the same, go to http://msweb03.co.wake.nc.us/bordelec/downloads/form06.pdf (http://msweb03.co.wake.nc.us/bordelec/downloads/form06.pdf)and download the form. You'll be asked for your previous registration number, if you don't know it already, to do so go to
http://www.wakegov.com/elections/search.htm , search for your name, and enter this information in Section 2 of the voter registration form where requested.

Then, fill out the rest of the form, and fax it back to 919 856-5864, then send your signed original by FRIDAY (4/11/2008 )to:

Wake County Board of Elections
PO Box 695
Raleigh NC 27602

Checking the box for Unaffiliated will enable you to receive a Democratic ballot. Have fun!

Normally, I'm not a big fan of this either, as I've written before... but this year, I'm not a big fan of either the Republicans or the Democrats, as neither party is listening to "We, the People", and I'm pretty certain that "gumming up the works" is about all that's left for a voter to do... so I'm going to be doing my duty!

If you don't like any of the 3 candidates, why bother?

Is it because you're so partisan that a Republican winning means everything?

[DarylB]

Daryl, good luck requesting a Democratic primary ballot as a registered Republican. Unless you change party affiliation by this Friday, you're eligible to vote in the Republican primary.

Unaffiliated voters may vote in one party's primary only, so long as the party allows that (currently, both the Republican and Democratic parties allow that...so unafilliated voters have an important choice to make). However, if you're registered with a party, you vote in that party's primary.

I'm not a fan of "crossing over" as a way to "gum up" the other party. And, as with most partisan issues, partisans tend to think it's a great idea when it's to their party's advantage and wail about the unfairness of it all when it's to their party's disadvantage.

Yep, I know....thanks! :wink:

For the convenience of others wishing to do the same, go to http://msweb03.co.wake.nc.us/bordelec/downloads/form06.pdf (http://msweb03.co.wake.nc.us/bordelec/downloads/form06.pdf)and download the form. You'll be asked for your previous registration number, if you don't know it already, to do so go to
http://www.wakegov.com/elections/search.htm , search for your name, and enter this information in Section 2 of the voter registration form where requested.

Then, fill out the rest of the form, and fax it back to 919 856-5864, then send your signed original by FRIDAY (4/11/2008 )to:

Wake County Board of Elections
PO Box 695
Raleigh NC 27602

Checking the box for Unaffiliated will enable you to receive a Democratic ballot. Have fun!

Normally, I'm not a big fan of this either, as I've written before... but this year, I'm not a big fan of either the Republicans or the Democrats, as neither party is listening to "We, the People", and I'm pretty certain that "gumming up the works" is about all that's left for a voter to do... so I'm going to be doing my duty!

If you don't like any of the 3 candidates, why bother?

Is it because you're so partisan that a Republican winning means everything?

Hey, I'm now Unaffiliated .... just like you! Doesn't mean I'm not a voter though :laughing1:

[d4vendel]

So in order to play games with the Democrat nominee for president, you now have no voice in the primaries for your House Representative, State Senator, Governor, etc...

Sorry, but I actually care more about who my local representatives and judges are than I do about who is in the White House.

If it is worth it to you, go for it. It is not worth it to me. I don't think that is the best way I can serve my party.

[Brent]

So in order to play games with the Democrat nominee for president, you now have no voice in the primaries for your House Representative, State Senator, Governor, etc...

Sorry, but I actually care more about who my local representatives and judges are than I do about who is in the White House.

If it is worth it to you, go for it. It is not worth it to me. I don't think that is the best way I can serve my party.

I am unaffiliated and will be choosing the ballot that I believe will allow me to have the most say in who my local representatives, judges, governor, etc. are.

Although I don't have a party affiliation, I believe that gamesmanship at the polls is not the best way I can serve my responsibility as a voter.

So I'm with you, Dave.

[MattD]

Hey, I'm now Unaffiliated .... just like you! Doesn't mean I'm not a voter though :laughing1:

Rush will be so proud.

[Brent]

Rush will be so proud.

Mega-dittoes, Matt, mega-dittoes. :D

[Icorpse]

Daryl, good luck requesting a Democratic primary ballot as a registered Republican. Unless you change party affiliation by this Friday, you're eligible to vote in the Republican primary.

Unaffiliated voters may vote in one party's primary only, so long as the party allows that (currently, both the Republican and Democratic parties allow that...so unafilliated voters have an important choice to make). However, if you're registered with a party, you vote in that party's primary.

I'm not a fan of "crossing over" as a way to "gum up" the other party. And, as with most partisan issues, partisans tend to think it's a great idea when it's to their party's advantage and wail about the unfairness of it all when it's to their party's disadvantage.

Yep, I know....thanks! :wink:

For the convenience of others wishing to do the same, go to http://msweb03.co.wake.nc.us/bordelec/downloads/form06.pdf (http://msweb03.co.wake.nc.us/bordelec/downloads/form06.pdf)and download the form. You'll be asked for your previous registration number, if you don't know it already, to do so go to
http://www.wakegov.com/elections/search.htm , search for your name, and enter this information in Section 2 of the voter registration form where requested.

Then, fill out the rest of the form, and fax it back to 919 856-5864, then send your signed original by FRIDAY (4/11/2008 )to:

Wake County Board of Elections
PO Box 695
Raleigh NC 27602

Checking the box for Unaffiliated will enable you to receive a Democratic ballot. Have fun!

Normally, I'm not a big fan of this either, as I've written before... but this year, I'm not a big fan of either the Republicans or the Democrats, as neither party is listening to "We, the People", and I'm pretty certain that "gumming up the works" is about all that's left for a voter to do... so I'm going to be doing my duty!

If you don't like any of the 3 candidates, why bother?

Is it because you're so partisan that a Republican winning means everything?

Hey, I'm now Unaffiliated .... just like you! Doesn't mean I'm not a voter though :laughing1:

Another high-quality post from Daryl. I think most of us need to worry about about partisan bigots like you more than anything else. I think it is a VERY good thing that you are old, marginalized and lonely.

[DarylB]

So in order to play games with the Democrat nominee for president, you now have no voice in the primaries for your House Representative, State Senator, Governor, etc...

Sorry, but I actually care more about who my local representatives and judges are than I do about who is in the White House.

If it is worth it to you, go for it. It is not worth it to me. I don't think that is the best way I can serve my party.

I am unaffiliated and will be choosing the ballot that I believe will allow me to have the most say in who my local representatives, judges, governor, etc. are.

Although I don't have a party affiliation, I believe that gamesmanship at the polls is not the best way I can serve my responsibility as a voter.

So I'm with you, Dave.


Gamesmanship has become the be-all and the end-all of both of the remaining political parties. Electing specific local representatives, judges, governor, etc. is obviously important to me, but the quality of the individuals that can ascend to these positions has become subservient to the party mechanisms of gamesmanship (ie they have to play the game and dance the dance of their party to get supported and elected). So is it really serving my responsibility as a voter to continue to play the game of the political parties according to the rules they've laid out for us? Or am I better serving my country/county/city/ etc by getting them outraged when I throw sand in their party gearing, by doing a little political protesting, and crossing over in my vote to muck with the broken system? I'm now finding myself in an effort to call attention to the games, and I'm trying to right a sinking ship. I've put a fair amount of thought into this, and if the system doesn't work, we can never expect to get any better than the likes of Wright, and Black, and the endless supply of others we've been treated to. Noones listening, because they've never had to. My single vote isn't going to change the world, but I can be one additional snowflake in an avalanche if there are enough other flakes out there (pun intended) to create an avalanche of discontent with the current state of politics in America. That is, after all, all one vote is.

[Dharma]

So in order to play games with the Democrat nominee for president, you now have no voice in the primaries for your House Representative, State Senator, Governor, etc...

Sorry, but I actually care more about who my local representatives and judges are than I do about who is in the White House.

If it is worth it to you, go for it. It is not worth it to me. I don't think that is the best way I can serve my party.

I am unaffiliated and will be choosing the ballot that I believe will allow me to have the most say in who my local representatives, judges, governor, etc. are.

Although I don't have a party affiliation, I believe that gamesmanship at the polls is not the best way I can serve my responsibility as a voter.

So I'm with you, Dave.


Gamesmanship has become the be-all and the end-all of both of the remaining political parties. Electing specific local representatives, judges, governor, etc. is obviously important to me, but the quality of the individuals that can ascend to these positions has become subservient to the party mechanisms of gamesmanship (ie they have to play the game and dance the dance of their party to get supported and elected). So is it really serving my responsibility as a voter to continue to play the game of the political parties according to the rules they've laid out for us? Or am I better serving my country/county/city/ etc by getting them outraged when I throw sand in their party gearing, by doing a little political protesting, and crossing over in my vote to muck with the broken system? I'm now finding myself in an effort to call attention to the games, and I'm trying to right a sinking ship. I've put a fair amount of thought into this, and if the system doesn't work, we can never expect to get any better than the likes of Wright, and Black, and the endless supply of others we've been treated to. Noones listening, because they've never had to. My single vote isn't going to change the world, but I can be one additional snowflake in an avalanche if there are enough other flakes out there (pun intended) to create an avalanche of discontent with the current state of politics in America. That is, after all, all one vote is.


USDA Grade A Bovine Excrement.

You want a Republican president and you'll sell your soul to the devil to make it happen. End of story.

[MattD]

Gamesmanship has become the be-all and the end-all of both of the remaining political parties. Electing specific local representatives, judges, governor, etc. is obviously important to me, but the quality of the individuals that can ascend to these positions has become subservient to the party mechanisms of gamesmanship (ie they have to play the game and dance the dance of their party to get supported and elected). So is it really serving my responsibility as a voter to continue to play the game of the political parties according to the rules they've laid out for us? Or am I better serving my country/county/city/ etc by getting them outraged when I throw sand in their party gearing, by doing a little political protesting, and crossing over in my vote to muck with the broken system? I'm now finding myself in an effort to call attention to the games, and I'm trying to right a sinking ship. I've put a fair amount of thought into this, and if the system doesn't work, we can never expect to get any better than the likes of Wright, and Black, and the endless supply of others we've been treated to. Noones listening, because they've never had to. My single vote isn't going to change the world, but I can be one additional snowflake in an avalanche if there are enough other flakes out there (pun intended) to create an avalanche of discontent with the current state of politics in America. That is, after all, all one vote is.

Is Ron Paul going to be on the ballot? If so, wouldn't that be the best way to play your "gamesmanship"? Wouldn't that be the best way to show that the base Republicans don't want a moderate Republican?

[DarylB]

Gamesmanship has become the be-all and the end-all of both of the remaining political parties. Electing specific local representatives, judges, governor, etc. is obviously important to me, but the quality of the individuals that can ascend to these positions has become subservient to the party mechanisms of gamesmanship (ie they have to play the game and dance the dance of their party to get supported and elected). So is it really serving my responsibility as a voter to continue to play the game of the political parties according to the rules they've laid out for us? Or am I better serving my country/county/city/ etc by getting them outraged when I throw sand in their party gearing, by doing a little political protesting, and crossing over in my vote to muck with the broken system? I'm now finding myself in an effort to call attention to the games, and I'm trying to right a sinking ship. I've put a fair amount of thought into this, and if the system doesn't work, we can never expect to get any better than the likes of Wright, and Black, and the endless supply of others we've been treated to. Noones listening, because they've never had to. My single vote isn't going to change the world, but I can be one additional snowflake in an avalanche if there are enough other flakes out there (pun intended) to create an avalanche of discontent with the current state of politics in America. That is, after all, all one vote is.

Is Ron Paul going to be on the ballot? If so, wouldn't that be the best way to play your "gamesmanship"? Wouldn't that be the best way to show that the base Republicans don't want a moderate Republican?

You seem to misunderstand... you see, the political parties have offered up for the Presidential primaries a serial lier witha spending problem, an Amway salesman with no clue and a spending problem, and a geriatric liberal who can't shut the door to the barn when all the south of the border baby launchers are stealing the silver. I understand you would prefer to simply say to me, "well, those are all the choices you've got, so you have to pick from what we've offered you". What I'm saying is, think outside the box. We can choose to say, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more...." , and try and dismantle such a terrible way of running our country, one vote at a time. While you obviously took the partisan "Yea, go get the Republicans" approach, I'm opting out of supporting EITHER of the remaining parties... note, I'm dissatisfied with the system, and the outcomes of the system. Both houses need cleaning.... and I'm simply tired of feeling like the guy with the galvanized can and a broom, election after election after election....

[Dharma]

[QUOTE=MattD;42390][QUOTE=DarylB;42387]

What I'm saying is, think outside the box. We can choose to say, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more...." , and try and dismantle such a terrible way of running our country, one vote at a time.

So crossing over and voting for a Democrat who has a better chance of losing against the Republican candidate is the way to "think outside the box"?

I don't care if you're arrogant but I don't appreciate you thinking everybody else around you is dumber than a box of rocks. We're not.

[MattD]

You seem to misunderstand... you see, the political parties have offered up for the Presidential primaries a serial lier witha spending problem, an Amway salesman with no clue and a spending problem, and a geriatric liberal who can't shut the door to the barn when all the south of the border baby launchers are stealing the silver. I understand you would prefer to simply say to me, "well, those are all the choices you've got, so you have to pick from what we've offered you". What I'm saying is, think outside the box. We can choose to say, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more...." , and try and dismantle such a terrible way of running our country, one vote at a time. While you obviously took the partisan "Yea, go get the Republicans" approach, I'm opting out of supporting EITHER of the remaining parties... note, I'm dissatisfied with the system, and the outcomes of the system. Both houses need cleaning.... and I'm simply tired of feeling like the guy with the galvanized can and a broom, election after election after election....

DB -which is why you should be voting for Ron Paul (or some other Rep on the primary ballot). To take it point-by-point:

1. "Well those are the choices you've got... I'm saying is think outside the box". And you do this by saying "NO! I don't want this choice shoved down my throat, that's why I'm voting for a person even though they won't get the nomination! (i.e. Ron Paul)

2. "I'm mad as hell and I won't take it anymore!" By casting your vote for Hillary or Obama, your vote gets lost in the masses. By supporting who you truly like will show your Party that you are mad as hell and you don't want McCain shoved down your throat.

3. "While you obviously took the partisan "Yea, go get the Republicans" approach..." Actually, I would think this would HELP your party. Again, go ahead and vote for the Dem candidate, but then it will show the Dems have larger support then Rep.

4. You're dissatisfied with the system... So then vote OUTSIDE of the system.

DB - I think you are making a greater political statement by voting for the Republican you like and let your voice be heard vs. having your sole vote amongst the mass votes for Obama/Clinton.

But at the end of the day, go ahead ande vote like Rush Limbaugh wants you to... that's your choice.

[DarylB]

[QUOTE=MattD;42390][QUOTE=DarylB;42387]

What I'm saying is, think outside the box. We can choose to say, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more...." , and try and dismantle such a terrible way of running our country, one vote at a time.

So crossing over and voting for a Democrat who has a better chance of losing against the Republican candidate is the way to "think outside the box"?

I don't care if you're arrogant but I don't appreciate you thinking everybody else around you is dumber than a box of rocks. We're not.

This is not something I'm looking at as a one-time deal (unfortunately). I don't recall in the last several elections being presented with quality choices to make. Why is that?

[d4vendel]

Gamesmanship has become the be-all and the end-all of both of the remaining political parties. Electing specific local representatives, judges, governor, etc. is obviously important to me, but the quality of the individuals that can ascend to these positions has become subservient to the party mechanisms of gamesmanship (ie they have to play the game and dance the dance of their party to get supported and elected). So is it really serving my responsibility as a voter to continue to play the game of the political parties according to the rules they've laid out for us? Or am I better serving my country/county/city/ etc by getting them outraged when I throw sand in their party gearing, by doing a little political protesting, and crossing over in my vote to muck with the broken system? I'm now finding myself in an effort to call attention to the games, and I'm trying to right a sinking ship. I've put a fair amount of thought into this, and if the system doesn't work, we can never expect to get any better than the likes of Wright, and Black, and the endless supply of others we've been treated to. Noones listening, because they've never had to. My single vote isn't going to change the world, but I can be one additional snowflake in an avalanche if there are enough other flakes out there (pun intended) to create an avalanche of discontent with the current state of politics in America. That is, after all, all one vote is.

I'm confused. What the heck does dancing and playing games at a party on a sinking ship that hit some sand left by an avalanche during a blizzard have to do with anything? :dontknow:

Seriously, I do get your point. I just believe people are better served by actively trying to fix things from within rather than standing on the outside and complaining.

[DarylB]

Gamesmanship has become the be-all and the end-all of both of the remaining political parties. Electing specific local representatives, judges, governor, etc. is obviously important to me, but the quality of the individuals that can ascend to these positions has become subservient to the party mechanisms of gamesmanship (ie they have to play the game and dance the dance of their party to get supported and elected). So is it really serving my responsibility as a voter to continue to play the game of the political parties according to the rules they've laid out for us? Or am I better serving my country/county/city/ etc by getting them outraged when I throw sand in their party gearing, by doing a little political protesting, and crossing over in my vote to muck with the broken system? I'm now finding myself in an effort to call attention to the games, and I'm trying to right a sinking ship. I've put a fair amount of thought into this, and if the system doesn't work, we can never expect to get any better than the likes of Wright, and Black, and the endless supply of others we've been treated to. Noones listening, because they've never had to. My single vote isn't going to change the world, but I can be one additional snowflake in an avalanche if there are enough other flakes out there (pun intended) to create an avalanche of discontent with the current state of politics in America. That is, after all, all one vote is.

I'm confused. What the heck does dancing and playing games at a party on a sinking ship that hit some sand left by an avalanche during a blizzard have to do with anything? :dontknow:

Seriously, I do get your point. I just believe people are better served by actively trying to fix things from within rather than standing on the outside and complaining.


Yes, it indeed was a Dark and Stormy Night...
and yes... suddenly, a Shot Did Ring Out...
and yes.. I'm especially fond of hearing the words, A Ship Appeared on the Horizon..

But more to he point, if we all just went along with the status quo, and served from within, suffering through whatever was cast our way, trying to mend the flaws no matter what, and generally following your prudent advice, we'd still be part of England...


Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

* John Adams' letter to John Taylor (1814-04-15)

[Dharma]

This is not something I'm looking at as a one-time deal (unfortunately). I don't recall in the last several elections being presented with quality choices to make. Why is that?

It' YOUR OPINION that the choices lack quality. You want a hard line right winger but, it appears, the majority in your party don't want to go that route at the present time.

[DarylB]

This is not something I'm looking at as a one-time deal (unfortunately). I don't recall in the last several elections being presented with quality choices to make. Why is that?

It' YOUR OPINION that the choices lack quality. You want a hard line right winger but, it appears, the majority in your party don't want to go that route at the present time.

McCain doesn't respect the laws of the country. Neither does Bush. I've said repeatedly I think Bush is impeachable on the basis of his lack of performance on illegal immigration.Obama is one Clue card short of a Hasbro game. Hillary is ready to shoot her way into the Oval Office, so she can practice all that socialized medicine. I have a lot of respect for Liebermann, and watched as the Democrats kicked him to the curb. The parties, both of them, are pushing the crappy choices to the top rungs in the respective parties, while those with real guts and ideas are relegated to the crapper. Closer to home, we've had Wright and Black... great choices there! and still the Republicans can't present a viable challenge in the form of even luke-warm candidates that should be like shooting fish in a barrel by comparison. Easley and the crap that has come out of the governors office with appointments of guys like Nifong >>>> PLEASE..... It's what we in the military used to call a Royal Mongolian ClusterF**k........

[d4vendel]

But more to he point, if we all just went along with the status quo, and served from within, suffering through whatever was cast our way, trying to mend the flaws no matter what, and generally following your prudent advice, we'd still be part of England...


I submit that your comparison is flawed. We (the Colonies) did not have a voice in the English Empire. You are comparing apples to Volkswagens.

As far as having your voice heard by the party you are dissatisfied with, when was the last party meeting, convention, etc. that you attended and actively participated in? When was the last time you sat down and talked with any of the local or state party officials face to face? Other than typing all day on CP, what have you constructively done to try to bring about a change in your party? Is leaving the party to make a protest vote your first real action?

Maybe you are active. All I know is that I don't see you at any of the meetings, conventions, rallies, etc.

[MattD]

In today's N&O there is an article about soaring NC voter registration. One part reads:



There is also anecdotal evidence that some Republicans are switching their registration to Democrat or unaffiliated to participate in the primaries.

Now were did I put my picture of Rush Limbaugh's lemmings jumping off a cliff...

[d4vendel]

In today's N&O there is an article about soaring NC voter registration. One part reads:



There is also anecdotal evidence that some Republicans are switching their registration to Democrat or unaffiliated to participate in the primaries.

Now were did I put my picture of Rush Limbaugh's lemmings jumping off a cliff...

Beats the heck out of me....

Many of Republicans actually have jobs that prevent us from listening to an entertainer for 3 hours during the middle of the workday. Heck, some of us don't listen to marching orders from entertainers - or anyone else for that matter.

I have to confess that I do know of one person in my immediate family who did change her registration this year. She changed it from Democrat to Republican.

[Dharma]

Now were did I put my picture of Rush Limbaugh's lemmings jumping off a cliff...

HERE IT IS.......
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i175/onedharma/rush_lemmings_001.jpg

[Wuptdo]

Less than two more days to change Voter AFFILIATION.

http://www.wakegov.com/elections/default.htm

The more you know......

MattD wrote:
"Now were did I put my picture of Rush Limbaugh's lemmings jumping off a cliff..."

Matt did it ever occur to you that many Republikan's actually hate John McCain? And maybe your party offers better solutions this time around. It has been my experience that most folks are much to lazy to vote, and even less inclined to switch party affiliation. It will be interesting to see the "numbers" after primary day. If I recall, 5% turnout is considered excellent in NC.

[d4vendel]

Wup,

Your point is well taken. I am not a huge fan of McCain. I would have preferred another nominee.

That being said, when I compare McCain to Hillary or Obama, John has my full support.

[DarylB]

Wup,

Your point is well taken. I am not a huge fan of McCain. I would have preferred another nominee.

That being said, when I compare McCain to Hillary or Obama, John has my full support.

What we REALLY need is an option for "NONE OF THE ABOVE". If "NONE OF THE ABOVE" got the most votes, the slate of candidates originally listed would be removed from the succeeding mandatory (dare I say do-over?) ballot, the original candidates would be ineligible to run again, and the parties would have to pick an entirely new slate of candidates. Voila, no more "the lessor of two (or more) evils", winners would actually have to EARN the offices they seek.

[francejamie]

What we REALLY need is an option for "NONE OF THE ABOVE". If "NONE OF THE ABOVE" got the most votes, the slate of candidates originally listed would be removed from the succeeding mandatory (dare I say do-over?) ballot, the original candidates would be ineligible to run again, and the parties would have to pick an entirely new slate of candidates. Voila, no more "the lessor of two (or more) evils", winners would actually have to EARN the offices they seek.

As I think I've said before - I totally agree.

[MattD]

Wupt and others - My comments regarding the Rush Limbaugh's lemmings came from the DB's original post (shown in bold)


North Carolina's turn to vote in the primaries is coming up. As a Republican, I have a unique choice to make... the Republican nominee has been decided, whom I am not particularly enthusiastic about, but it's a done deal.

But the Democrats are still locked in a battle. I really dislike both very much, but am now given a chance to "help" decide, by picking the one I dislike most, and vote for them as a crossover vote, thereby making an impact on the Democratic primary. By choking a little, but asking for a Democratic ballot, and choosing the candidate I revile the most, I can have the effect of voting for a choice that to me makes a difference in the overall outcome. At the very least, it helps to continue the Democratic turmoil, which is a good thing. Rush Limbaugh has already suggested as Republicans, we vote for Hillary. Anybody else planning to do this as well?

[d4vendel]

Wupt and others - My comments regarding the Rush Limbaugh's lemmings came from the DB's original post (shown in bold)



Point taken.

The lesson here is not every Republican listens to Rush, or, for that matter, really cares what he has to say.

[d4vendel]

What we REALLY need is an option for "NONE OF THE ABOVE". If "NONE OF THE ABOVE" got the most votes, the slate of candidates originally listed would be removed from the succeeding mandatory (dare I say do-over?) ballot, the original candidates would be ineligible to run again, and the parties would have to pick an entirely new slate of candidates. Voila, no more "the lessor of two (or more) evils", winners would actually have to EARN the offices they seek.

As I think I've said before - I totally agree.

And I agree as well. The problem is that is not an option, so GO McCAIN!

[DarylB]

Wupt and others - My comments regarding the Rush Limbaugh's lemmings came from the DB's original post (shown in bold)



Point taken.

The lesson here is not every Republican listens to Rush, or, for that matter, really cares what he has to say.

A very good example of why we never can get past the two parties' strangehold on voting and choices. We've been told we have to make a choice between the candidates they offer us, and that we don't have any other options. To me, these are the real lemmings, obediently following the party directives. Rush isn't my master. As I've said, I hardly ever listen to his broadcasts. But I think he has a good idea here, and one that makes sense. He's a bright guy, which is something many don't want to give him credit for. The best the party barnacles can do is deride him for being "Rush". I'm open to ideas, any ideas, that may make a difference. I'm convinced that simply making what is being spouted as an obligatory choice of the lessor of two evils is simply a continuation of the evil, and a waste of my vote. Anybody else here that's noticed the extreme nature of the posts, simply because I changed my registration to "Independent"? I would think the normal reaction would be "who cares, it's your vote, and you can use it however you wish". But the reaction has been anything BUT that.... it's as if I castrated these poor felllas by pulling the plug on the status quo. And what's funny to me is that I'm getting it from both the RIGHT and the LEFT. Creatures of so much habit, neither can accept anyone breaking out of the mold.... like in the old
TV show "The Prisoner", when they sent the bubble out to track the guy down when he went off the beaten track. Yes, I do believe, they oddly protest a bit much! When presented with Options A and B by the major parties, I have had the audacity to choose C.... so sue me!

[d4vendel]

So if I may ask, as an Independent, who are you voting for in the primary and why?

[MattD]

Wupt and others - My comments regarding the Rush Limbaugh's lemmings came from the DB's original post (shown in bold)



Point taken.

The lesson here is not every Republican listens to Rush, or, for that matter, really cares what he has to say.

A very good example of why we never can get past the two parties' strangehold on voting and choices. We've been told we have to make a choice between the candidates they offer us, and that we don't have any other options. To me, these are the real lemmings, obediently following the party directives. Rush isn't my master. As I've said, I hardly ever listen to his broadcasts. But I think he has a good idea here, and one that makes sense. He's a bright guy, which is something many don't want to give him credit for. The best the party barnacles can do is deride him for being "Rush". I'm open to ideas, any ideas, that may make a difference. I'm convinced that simply making what is being spouted as an obligatory choice of the lessor of two evils is simply a continuation of the evil, and a waste of my vote. Anybody else here that's noticed the extreme nature of the posts, simply because I changed my registration to "Independent"? I would think the normal reaction would be "who cares, it's your vote, and you can use it however you wish". But the reaction has been anything BUT that.... it's as if I castrated these poor felllas by pulling the plug on the status quo. And what's funny to me is that I'm getting it from both the RIGHT and the LEFT. Creatures of so much habit, neither can accept anyone breaking out of the mold.... like in the old
TV show "The Prisoner", when they sent the bubble out to track the guy down when he went off the beaten track. Yes, I do believe, they oddly protest a bit much! When presented with Options A and B by the major parties, I have had the audacity to choose C.... so sue me!

DB - I made a couple of posts that was really trying to HELP you make a diff. I really believe a vote for Ron Paul (or other Rep) stands out more then just a single vote amongst the masses for Clinton/Obama.

And as I have said before... the Country BADLY needs a 3rd viable party.

[francejamie]

A very good example of why we never can get past the two parties' strangehold on voting and choices. We've been told we have to make a choice between the candidates they offer us, and that we don't have any other options. To me, these are the real lemmings, obediently following the party directives. Rush isn't my master. As I've said, I hardly ever listen to his broadcasts. But I think he has a good idea here, and one that makes sense. He's a bright guy, which is something many don't want to give him credit for. The best the party barnacles can do is deride him for being "Rush". I'm open to ideas, any ideas, that may make a difference. I'm convinced that simply making what is being spouted as an obligatory choice of the lessor of two evils is simply a continuation of the evil, and a waste of my vote. Anybody else here that's noticed the extreme nature of the posts, simply because I changed my registration to "Independent"? I would think the normal reaction would be "who cares, it's your vote, and you can use it however you wish". But the reaction has been anything BUT that.... it's as if I castrated these poor felllas by pulling the plug on the status quo. And what's funny to me is that I'm getting it from both the RIGHT and the LEFT. Creatures of so much habit, neither can accept anyone breaking out of the mold.... like in the old
TV show "The Prisoner", when they sent the bubble out to track the guy down when he went off the beaten track. Yes, I do believe, they oddly protest a bit much! When presented with Options A and B by the major parties, I have had the audacity to choose C.... so sue me!

Actually, I see it as quite the opposite. You seem to have stated that you simply changed your registration to unaffiliated just so that you can 'muck up' the Democratic primary, which coincidently happens to be what Rush called on Republican voters to do.

They way I see it, you are playing right into the status quo.

While I applaud your changing to unaffiliated, and would hope that everyone would do so, I think you are doing it for the wrong reasons.

[Lurkie]

This method of protest voting is like seconding a motion at a public meeting and then voting against. Although legal it is disingenuous and disruptive.

Lurkie

[DarylB]

This method of protest voting is like seconding a motion at a public meeting and then voting against. Although legal it is disingenuous and disruptive.

Lurkie

Ya know, I would have far rather seen the Democrats "second the motion" for an up or down vote on all those appointments, and then voted against these individuals, on the record, if that's how they felt about them, than to have taken the position of simply ignoring them and the positions they were nominated to fill. THAT's disingenuous and disruptive.

[DarylB]

So if I may ask, as an Independent, who are you voting for in the primary and why?

This is actually a very long and complex answer. I'll try to keep it short.

I've felt for a long time that my vote has meant little to the Republican party. I'm taken for granted as a Republican voter, much as the Democrats take black votes for granted... they know blacks are not considering their choices very carefully, and 90%+ vote for Democrats EVERY ELECTION. There's never a need to even ask. So we have the black lemmings.

Women by and large vote for Democrats in much the same way blacks do... they have a "Soccer van", and they look for not much more than somebody that says a lot about schools, and they like the idea of aborting as a means of birth control.... lots of "mommy" issues, and their looking for someone that promises more "packages" than a Shopping Mall Santa. They don't ask a lot of questions when it comes to war and defense, they just know they don't like conflict, and would rather not confront anybody about anything .... and largely they would rather take their chances with the more passive acceptance of terrorists in our midst than take the stronger step of war against them on their own soil.

I could go through a good number of the demographic groups (gays, latinos, inner city "New Urbanists", teachers, auto workers, etc) that form what we affectionately call "political bases", another way of saying these folks are safe, and are not going to give us any trouble. Many of these have organizations that draft money straight out of their checks to go to unions, and these individuals aren't asked about who they wish to contribute to, nor do they have a choice in their union memberships if they wish to be employed. These are the "mandatory lemmings".

I also don't have any options left to me. To vote Republican means to cast an affirming vote for McCain. The Republicans expect my consent to this sham. I simply disagree with him on many, many fronts, so why would I want to vote "For" him? And I am of course dismayed at the Republican party having presented a liberal for the General election as the alternative to two GigaLiberals. Those who would just ask me to go ahead and "pull the lever" for McCain aren't affecting any kind of change, and have simply "settled". I'm also disgusted with the local choices, and the outcomes of those choices. Easley gave us the likes of Nifong, but there are also the Jim Blacks and the Thomas Wrights. We're treated to "choices" from a party that took over control of our state at the point of a gun, killing their Republican opposition. We're treated daily to more stories of spending excesses at the county level, with convention centers, and more roads (evidently to make it easier and more convenient for the illegal aliens to get here faster), and there are always the school bonds without traceability or accountability for their uncontrolled spending. It's gotten to the point that the UberLiberals are even putting their wives on the school board...

I hold Republicans as guilty as I do Democrats, if not more so (Republicans should know better). I haven't seen the faintest signs of vertebrate membership in the State party to bring about a righting of the ship. They too have been going along to get along, compromising with the devil, and providing not even the faintest of ripples in the cesspool.

Bottom line, we only have affirmative votes to cast. We are not given the options to vote against individuals on the ballot. Unless you switch parties, and take it upon yourself to vote the negative.

Do I like having no other options? No way... I feel that if the parties listened, and offered responsible positive candidates, as has happened in the distant past, and I would continue to vote as I continuosly have for the last half century, as a positive voter with a feeling of a positive outcomes representing my choices when I cast my vote.

I feel it should come as no great surprise when, with no offerings other than negatives, that I should choose to change my voting practices to negative ones as well.

As for who I'm voting "for", that's something I haven't decided for sure yet. I'm leaning toward checking the box for Hillary. My reasoning is that it is a vote against both Obama and McCain... hey, I think I just became one of those "proportional voters" that gets to vote multiple times! Gee, I wonder if someone will be letting me go to the polls again in a do-over? I'm not really in favor of the end-around strategy we're seeing for a Clinton third term, but it does serve my purpose of voicing, with the only tool available to me, my total disgust with all of the above.

Does that help?

[Lurkie]

Daryl B you may be able to somewhat vent your frustration by selecting "No Perferance" in the race for President (a choice available in either party primary). That would appear to match your stated feelings.

Lurkie

[DarylB]

Daryl B you may be able to somewhat vent your frustration by selecting "No Perferance" in the race for President (a choice available in either party primary). That would appear to match your stated feelings.

Lurkie

But I do in fact have a preference, for "none of the above". "No Preference" is akin to Obama's votes in the Illinois Senate of "Present", which is as Hillary stated, a non-commital "maybe".

I also have, as I stated previously, more problems with the status of the two major parties than simply at the Presidential level. Nice thought, but it doesn't really quite do it for me.....

[kirtl]

A vote for any of the big three is, in fact, a vote to support one of them. They'll never see your protest vote or any of the reasons you have stated. Simply, they will take your vote and do more of the things you don't like, regardless of party. If anyone wants to change things, you must not vote for any of them. You should pull the lever for anyone but them. It may not work this election, but eventually a critical mass will be able to toss out the ineffective(dems and reps) or affect a change in them.

[MattD]

Bottom line, we only have affirmative votes to cast. We are not given the options to vote against individuals on the ballot. Unless you switch parties, and take it upon yourself to vote the negative.

Do I like having no other options? No way... I feel that if the parties listened, and offered responsible positive candidates, as has happened in the distant past, and I would continue to vote as I continuosly have for the last half century, as a positive voter with a feeling of a positive outcomes representing my choices when I cast my vote.

I feel it should come as no great surprise when, with no offerings other than negatives, that I should choose to change my voting practices to negative ones as well.



The Republican Canididates on the NC Ballot this primary are:
Mike Huckabee
Alan Keyes
John McCain
Ron Paul
No Preference

If you REALLY wanted to make a political statement to the Republican Party then imagine the thumb in the eye if John McCain doesn't win in NC. Now THAT would be a political statement.

Or you can whine, bitch and moan and complain that you don't have any other choice in the matter...

[DarylB]

Or you can whine, bitch and moan and complain that you don't have any other choice in the matter...

I don't consider voting to be either whining, bitching, moaning or complaining.... if I stayed home, not bothering to vote, like about 85% of the eligible voters in this country typically do, and then tried to speak out, THEN you would have a point. I'm not one of those.

... and by having taken the actions that I have (ie dropping my affiliation with the Republican party), I have indeed been quite active in affecting my choice and my views. That is NOT a passive step, I guarantee you. I would venture to say that my degree of activity on CP is quite a bit greater than about 95 percent of the voting public's active participation in the political process.

To be sure, I'd like to be more active, and in a more personal way. Having a fairly busy travel schedule (to include international travel), that's just not in the cards at this time.

[francejamie]

Ya know, I would have far rather seen the Democrats "second the motion" for an up or down vote on all those appointments, and then voted against these individuals, on the record, if that's how they felt about them, than to have taken the position of simply ignoring them and the positions they were nominated to fill. THAT's disingenuous and disruptive.


Would you please clarify, just how many appointments are "all those appointments?" How many did the Dems refuse to vote on, and how many did they actually vote on.

[francejamie]

This is actually a very long and complex answer. I'll try to keep it short.

I've felt for a long time that my vote has meant little to the Republican party. I'm taken for granted as a Republican voter, much as the Democrats take black votes for granted... they know blacks are not considering their choices very carefully, and 90%+ vote for Democrats EVERY ELECTION. There's never a need to even ask. So we have the black lemmings.

Women by and large vote for Democrats in much the same way blacks do... they have a "Soccer van", and they look for not much more than somebody that says a lot about schools, and they like the idea of aborting as a means of birth control.... lots of "mommy" issues, and their looking for someone that promises more "packages" than a Shopping Mall Santa. They don't ask a lot of questions when it comes to war and defense, they just know they don't like conflict, and would rather not confront anybody about anything .... and largely they would rather take their chances with the more passive acceptance of terrorists in our midst than take the stronger step of war against them on their own soil.

I could go through a good number of the demographic groups (gays, latinos, inner city "New Urbanists", teachers, auto workers, etc) that form what we affectionately call "political bases", another way of saying these folks are safe, and are not going to give us any trouble. Many of these have organizations that draft money straight out of their checks to go to unions, and these individuals aren't asked about who they wish to contribute to, nor do they have a choice in their union memberships if they wish to be employed. These are the "mandatory lemmings".



You left out how the Republican candidates just mention how they will turn to Jesus to help save the people from the Islamo fascists, and Republican lemmings can not vote them into office fast enough.

[bobo]

This is not something I'm looking at as a one-time deal (unfortunately). I don't recall in the last several elections being presented with quality choices to make. Why is that?

It' YOUR OPINION that the choices lack quality. You want a hard line right winger but, it appears, the majority in your party don't want to go that route at the present time.

That's not necessarily true, Dharma. McCain slipped in under the wire because the true conservative vote in the primaries was fractured in many directions. Personally, I would vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries if the choice was still available.

[DarylB]

For those who are registered to vote "Unaffiliated", there are three separate ballots you'll be eligible to use on voting day...you can ask for a Republican, a Democrat, or an Unaffiliated ballot. The trick is that the Unaffiliated ballot only has those offices where the candidates for office are undeclared, which means you don't get to vote for the presidential, gubernatorial, senatorial, etc candidates on these ballots, but only four offices for judges are to be found on these ballots who do not declare party affiliations. Be careful to know who you wish to vote against before asking for the ballot of your choice!

[MattD]

[QUOTE=DarylB;42809]For those who are registered to vote "Unaffiliated", there are three separate ballots you'll be eligible to use on voting day...you can ask for a Republican, a Democrat, or an Unaffiliated ballot. The trick is that the Unaffiliated ballot only has those offices where the candidates for office are undeclared, which means you don't get to vote for the presidential, gubernatorial, senatorial, etc candidates on these ballots, but only four offices for judges are to be found on these ballots who do not declare party affiliations. Be careful to know who you wish to vote against before asking for the ballot of your choice![QUOTE]

Interesting choice of words....

[DarylB]

[quote=DarylB;42809]For those who are registered to vote "Unaffiliated", there are three separate ballots you'll be eligible to use on voting day...you can ask for a Republican, a Democrat, or an Unaffiliated ballot. The trick is that the Unaffiliated ballot only has those offices where the candidates for office are undeclared, which means you don't get to vote for the presidential, gubernatorial, senatorial, etc candidates on these ballots, but only four offices for judges are to be found on these ballots who do not declare party affiliations. Be careful to know who you wish to vote against before asking for the ballot of your choice![quote]

Interesting choice of words....

I choose my words well, don't I? :hello2::occasion5:

[MattD]

[quote=DarylB;42809]For those who are registered to vote "Unaffiliated", there are three separate ballots you'll be eligible to use on voting day...you can ask for a Republican, a Democrat, or an Unaffiliated ballot. The trick is that the Unaffiliated ballot only has those offices where the candidates for office are undeclared, which means you don't get to vote for the presidential, gubernatorial, senatorial, etc candidates on these ballots, but only four offices for judges are to be found on these ballots who do not declare party affiliations. Be careful to know who you wish to vote against before asking for the ballot of your choice![quote]

Interesting choice of words....

I choose my words well, don't I? :hello2::occasion5:

Who else are you going to vote against... or hasn't Rush told you yet?

[dhyatt]

[snip]

Who else are you going to vote against... or hasn't Rush told you yet?

Rush is a pretty smart guy, ain't he? ;-)

[Icorpse]

[snip]

Who else are you going to vote against... or hasn't Rush told you yet?

Rush is a pretty smart guy, ain't he? ;-)

When you consider that >70% of his audience cannot think for themselves, hell YEAH!

[Dharma]

[snip]

Who else are you going to vote against... or hasn't Rush told you yet?

Rush is a pretty smart guy, ain't he? ;-)

When you consider that >70% of his audience cannot think for themselves, hell YEAH!


The 30%, who can think for themselves, know he's an idiot. ;-)

[d4vendel]

And a very small percentage of us recognize him as an entertainer.

[Dharma]

And a very small percentage of us recognize him as an entertainer.

I listen to him from time to time and actually find some of what he says to be quite funny. So, while there are some who listen for entertainment, many more are entertained and actually DO what he tells them to do (out of entertainment, of course).

[Wuptdo]

Ok, what I need is one of the local RepubliKans "insiders" who actually knows what is going on. I know I have to vote for the "anti-Christ" but other than that, I pretty clueless when it comes to demokrats running for office. I guess the overall goals is to vote for people that have the least chance of getting elected in the general election. This includes all that are on the Wake Dems ballot.

I know you are out there, so please either post, or least PM me, and I will post, not using your name.

Once I done voting I will be bathing in bleach & RID (http://www.ridlice.com/elimination-step1.html) to get the stench off.

Nothing like a little well deserved payback.

BTW, is the queen of the WakeDems, Rachel Hunter running for office?

[MattD]

[snip]

Who else are you going to vote against... or hasn't Rush told you yet?

Rush is a pretty smart guy, ain't he? ;-)

He is a VERY smart man. He is the Godfather of Talk Radio for a reason. He has created an empire based on talking about politics... Something we do here on CP for free.

[MattD]

Ok, what I need is one of the local RepubliKans "insiders" who actually knows what is going on. I know I have to vote for the "anti-Christ" but other than that, I pretty clueless when it comes to demokrats running for office. I guess the overall goals is to vote for people that have the least chance of getting elected in the general election. This includes all that are on the Wake Dems ballot.

Wupt - are you an UNF voter now?

[dhyatt]

Ok, what I need is one of the local RepubliKans "insiders" who actually knows what is going on. I know I have to vote for the "anti-Christ" but other than that, I pretty clueless when it comes to demokrats running for office. I guess the overall goals is to vote for people that have the least chance of getting elected in the general election. This includes all that are on the Wake Dems ballot.

I know you are out there, so please either post, or least PM me, and I will post, not using your name.

Once I done voting I will be bathing in bleach & RID (http://www.ridlice.com/elimination-step1.html) to get the stench off.

Nothing like a little well deserved payback.

BTW, is the queen of the WakeDems, Rachel Hunter running for office?

Wup,
When you go to the polls on May 6th, you will get a Democratic ballot if you are registered as a Dem or a Republican ballot if you are registered as a Rep. The Republican ballots have only Republican candidates on them and vice-versa for the Dems. If, however, you are registered as UNA, then you will be asked (or at least you should be asked) which ballot you would like. There have been many Republicans changing to UNA for the primary. The interesting thing to me is will they bother to change back once they realize that as a UNA voter they can pick whichever ballot they want.

Note: There are known cases right here in Wake Co where UNA voters have simply been handed a Dem or Rep ballot without asking for one or the other. The only case I personally know of (because it happened to me in '06) involved being handed a Dem ballot. I mentioned that I hadn't asked for a Dem ballot and actually wanted a Republican one. The poll worker promptly made the change and mumbled a "sorry, my mistake". I expect there will be many conservative UNA voters casting a ballot in the Democratic primary this year. FWIW - I don't believe for one second that Obama has NC in the bag.

[Wuptdo]

Wupt - are you an UNF voter now?

I have been UNF for years. I'm a "party-free" conservative.

[MattD]

BTW, is the queen of the WakeDems, Rachel Hunter running for office?

Wupt - Why in the world would you say Rachel Hunter is queen of the Wake Dems. EVERYONE on CP knows she ran as a Rep and lost. She changed parties and lost. Your above statement is simply silly.

Besides, Ms. Hunter is not a Democrat.

[Wuptdo]

MattD wrote:
"Why in the world would you say Rachel Hunter is queen of the Wake Dems. EVERYONE on CP knows she ran as a Rep and lost. She changed parties and lost. Your above statement is simply silly."

Well geez Matt, last time I saw, she was one of yours, and on her way to the leadership position in NC Dems. By her website, she is one heck of a RINO then.

http://www.rachelforjustice.com/

Dem, Repub, or UNA; hard to tell.

[MattD]

MattD wrote:
"Why in the world would you say Rachel Hunter is queen of the Wake Dems. EVERYONE on CP knows she ran as a Rep and lost. She changed parties and lost. Your above statement is simply silly."

Well geez Matt, last time I saw, she was one of yours, and on her way to the leadership position in NC Dems. By her website, she is one heck of a RINO then.

http://www.rachelforjustice.com/

Dem, Repub, or UNA; hard to tell.

Wupt - If you check the Wake County voter files, you will see Rachel Hunter is actually UNA. (See below link).

http://msweb03.co.wake.nc.us/bordelec/Waves/WavesVoterRecord.asp?voter_reg_num=000031110207

Perhaps a little more research into your posts would cause you less embarrassment ;-)

[Dharma]

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Political Billboard Showing 9/11 Tragedy Creates Controversy

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A controversial billboard in Orange County has a picture of the burning World Trade Center and the message, "Please Don't Vote for a Democrat." The man who paid for the ad says he's trying to help Republicans, but officials with both political parties are calling the billboard inappropriate.

There are billboards up and down busy Orange Blossom Trail, but this at John Young Parkway one sticks out.

"Just looking at it, I'm not thinking about Democrat or Republican, I'm thinking about the twin towers and all the people killed," resident Mary Anderson told Eyewitness News.

The ad went up last week and is causing quite a reaction.

"Why use the twin towers for that purpose?" Anderson questioned.

The man behind the billboard is Mike Meehan, a St. Cloud businessman and musician. His website advertises a CD and music video titled "The Republican Song," with the chorus, "Don't vote for a Democrat." He's selling CDs for $5.

"This is a blatant exploitation of that terrible tragedy for political and, perhaps even worse, personal gain," said Bill Robinson, Orange County Democratic Party Chair.

Orange County Democrats are calling for the billboard to come down and the local Republican Party has said the ad is "inappropriate." Meehan hadn't returned Channel 9 calls or e-mails Monday afternoon, but some are defending his right to free speech.

"They can have their opinion. It's a free country, if they want to pay for the ad. I'm sure it's expensive," resident Louis Champeau told Eyewitness News.

The company that owns the billboard, Beech Outdoor Advertising, views it as a fundamental first amendment issue and for that reason wouldn't censor the ad. The billboard will be up until after the November election.

Beech Outdoor Advertising declined to say how much the billboard costs to rent.

This is not just short-term damage to civility, but a contributing factor to the inflaming of the idiots in our nation. In short, the image promotes lies and division. Meehan is aiming this billboard at Ma and Pa Kettle driving by on their way to Wal-Mart. It will only reinforce their twisted and uninformed opinions.

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We no longer live in a "civilized" world.....I want to build a remote cabin with a small farm and off the grid....

[francejamie]

Eh, you can't blame this guy. He's just emulating the Republican party. How many mentions of 9/11 were there in the 2004 Republican convention... hmmmmm.

[Dharma]

Yup.
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