BUSH LIED!

[Chicken Little]

Jennifer responds to the half-truths and outright lies from the Bush camp.

http://robinsonforcary.com/

A Response to the Attacks . . .

I cannot sit by and let someone lie to Cary citizens or slander me.
Lori Bush claims to want to represent the citizens as a public servant, but no true servant gives half-truths and misleading statements to those they wish to serve. Here are some facts regarding her recent mailings:

On endorsements: Both Erv Portman and Harold Weinbrecht have apologized to me, stating that their quotes about Lori are NOT an endorsement of her candidacy. Lori seems willing to mislead people any way she can to accomplish her goals.

On your privacy: I have been attacked for saying that it is unfortunate for people to gain access to public records. You would probably agree with me if you knew that the statement referred to organizations using public records laws to harvest YOUR private email address and information for their own purposes. The Davis High House organization and Lori’s campaign team think it is appropriate to use the Town of Cary’s email distribution list for their political purposes. I believe that this is a misuse of the email database that is built when you subscribe for Town related updates. I do not support political PACs or teams using a Cary Town sponsored email database for its causes. Personally, when I sign up to receive updates from an organization, I do not want my contact information given to and misused by other organizations. When that happens, it IS unfortunate.

On the intersection of Cary Parkway and High House Road: The intersection needs to be improved to make it safer and carry the traffic loads during rush hour. The campaign mailer inaccurately suggests that I want to wait to improve this intersection. The Town should make well-planned, comprehensive and needed improvements to this intersection that are acceptable to the citizens as soon as possible. Adding turn lanes in a piecemeal fashion will destroy the beautiful hardscaping of the intersection and will waste money. I will not support any design that makes traveling around this area confusing, causes cut-through traffic for Preston, or hurts local businesses.

On the New Hill Plant: The sewage plant site was selected unanimously by the full Council in closed session in 2005 based on a site review of several possible sites. The site was selected based on criteria such as site access, transportation, length of influent/effluent pipes, wetlands, threatened and endangered species, population within a half mile, sensitive land uses, and constructability. I am not solely responsible for selecting the site. The term “deciding vote” suggests that I was the single vote that made the site decision. This is untrue. In fact, the vote to which the mailer refers was a vote on how the land was to be acquired and not on the site itself. It is important to note that the Town selected a 245 acre site in which only 60 acres would be used for the facility and the remaining 160-185 acres would be preserved around the site to minimize the impact on the facility. Also, it does not mention that I have been a supporter of an alternate discharge point for the facility which would move the site to another location.

On the Sierra Club endorsement: [deleted by admin] My involvement in protecting the environment is strong: voted for and consistently defended our stream buffer regulations, spear-headed the land banking initiative, initiated the Tree Preservation Task Force and related changes in our laws to protect land, water, and topography, voted for the preservation of 1300 acres of open space over the last ten years, was a lead supporter of the move to increased recycling, voted for the Environmental Advisory Board, to name a few items.

On School Resource Officers: The Town of Cary supplies School Resource Officers for all of the middle schools and high schools in the Town. In 2004, the Town Council considered expanding our SRO program to all elementary schools. Our police chief told us that the elementary schools did not need SROs and that he would rather have the positions on the streets where the real crime exists. He described the $372,000 budget request as a case of “balancing the nice-to-have and got-to-haves” and the “need to focus on the got-to-haves.” We granted his request and increased his staff to keep Cary one of the safest cities in the U.S. Because we added officers on the streets, we helped provide better response times and were better equipped to counter gang activity. Today, we are ranked the 3rd safest city over 100,000 people in the U.S. and the safest in NC. I have received the endorsement from the Police Benevolent Association because they trust me to put public safety first in our community. Lori Bush says that she wants to take politics out of public safety, but it appears that she wants to PUT politics into public safety. This would have very serious negative consequences for our Town.

On the Adequate Public Facilities (APF) Ordinance: The previous policy of requiring an APF for schools proven to be ineffective and was legally challenged. Because WCPSS has the requirement to provide a seat for every child, they signed off on every development that we presented to them. The APF mislead citizens into thinking that they would be protected from growth if the schools did not have capacity. At the same time, the Durham School system lost a lawsuit over their impact fees for schools. The Town of Cary never had authority from the State of North Carolina to limit development based on school capacity or to levy impact fees for schools. Without this authority from the State, the Town of Cary is NOT ALLOWED to do either of these. However, during my time on the Council, the Town has done a lot to support schools. We have given WCPSS over $64 million in the form of donated land, gyms, playing fields, water lines, sewer lines, road improvements and outright cash. To put this in perspective, this amount exceeds a typical year’s collection of property tax from the citizens of Cary. Generally speaking, we have contributed one tenth of property tax revenue to the school system. If anything, we have been overly generous to the school system. As a representative, I have worked with land owners to find school sites in western Cary.

On the EMS and Safety: In each year’s budget, the Town of Cary gives $1 for each citizen in Cary to non-profits. In our current budget, we are giving $134,000 to non-profits. In an effort to de-politicize the non-profit selection process, the Council has the departments determine which organizations compliment the business of the Town and have a real need for the funds. This past year, we contributed to organizations such as SAFEchild, Women’s Center of Wake County, and COPE Eldercare. The Cary EMS is not part of the Town’s government and is a private non-profit organization supported by subscription membership. Its net assets total about 2.4 million. Because its assets total approximately 120% of the annual operating budget, our staff recommended that we not support the Cary EMS this year and the Council supported that recommendation. This is on Lori’s platform because one of her key campaign workers serves as the chairman of the Cary EMS board. It is a conflict of interest to advocate for funds for the non-profit of one of your key financial supporters.

[JoeCiulla]

Why does the response not address the matter of the Davis & High House vote? That seems to be a major missing element.

[chaboard]

Why does the response not address the matter of the Davis & High House vote? That seems to be a major missing element.

Kind of hard fo her to claim that her vote for it is a "lie"......

[kellyc]

Honestly

Im just disappointed in Lori. The above is not the Lori I know. Lori is better than this.

[dhyatt]

Why does the response not address the matter of the Davis & High House vote? That seems to be a major missing element.

Kind of hard for her to claim that her vote for it is a "lie"......

Not only that but what's the point in addressing it? The project went through four public hearings when most projects get one, numerous changes and concessions were made in response to citizen concerns, according to the traffic study the project's included loop road will actually improve traffic flow through the intersection, it met the land use plan, and she was 1 of 4 votes.

...and all of the aforementioned is well known about a project that was approved two years ago.

Once someone - or a group of someones - has decided to pursue a vendetta, there's nothing you can say or do to talk them out of it. Ever watch The Soprano's?

The sad thing is that Lori has found herself aligned with and supported by a very special interest group that has nothing to offer except ousting someone that has a stellar record of supporting the vast majority of residents in her district.

[daveu]

Honestly

Im just disappointed in Lori. The above is not the Lori I know. Lori is better than this.

I guess you didn't really know the true Lori... I don't even know Lori but her campaign has told me a lot about her character..(not good)

[JoeCiulla]

Why does the response not address the matter of the Davis & High House vote? That seems to be a major missing element.

Kind of hard for her to claim that her vote for it is a "lie"......

Not only that but what's the point in addressing it? The project went through four public hearings when most projects get one, numerous changes and concessions were made in response to citizen concerns, according to the traffic study the project's included loop road will actually improve traffic flow through the intersection, it met the land use plan, and she was 1 of 4 votes.

...and all of the aforementioned is well known about a project that was approved two years ago.

Once someone - or a group of someones - has decided to pursue a vendetta, there's nothing you can say or do to talk them out of it. Ever watch The Soprano's?

The sad thing is that Lori has found herself aligned with and supported by a very special interest group that has nothing to offer except ousting someone that has a stellar record of supporting the vast majority of residents in her district.

May be semantics, but what you call 'vendetta' I call 'accountability.' None of the concessions the developer made were enough to invalidate the protest petition, it was only the last-minute moving of a line that silenced those voices.

I love the Soprano's. When someone sells out the 'family' they usually have to answer for it.

[daveu]

[SIZE=2]
[B]On the EMS and Safety: In each year’s budget, the Town of Cary gives $1 for each citizen in Cary to non-profits. In our current budget, we are giving $134,000 to non-profits. In an effort to de-politicize the non-profit selection process, the Council has the departments determine which organizations compliment the business of the Town and have a real need for the funds. This past year, we contributed to organizations such as SAFEchild, Women’s Center of Wake County, and COPE Eldercare. The Cary EMS is not part of the Town’s government and is a private non-profit organization supported by subscription membership. Its net assets total about 2.4 million. Because its assets total approximately 120% of the annual operating budget, our staff recommended that we not support the Cary EMS this year and the Council supported that recommendation. This is on Lori’s platform because one of her key campaign workers serves as the chairman of the Cary EMS board. It is a conflict of interest to advocate for funds for the non-profit of one of your key financial supporters.


To be specific here.... Let's see.... According to Lori Bush's August Campaign Finance Report (filed 9/1/09) posted by Indy Weekly
http://www.indyweek.com/Elections09/augfinrep/loribush.pdf

Hmmm...let's see Page 8 of 10.....
Brent Miller in-kind donation $581.59
Laurie Miller donations to date $405.90

For a total of $987.49 as of 9/1/09....

This would be Brent Miller, Chairman of the Board, Cary EMS (A private organization...not run by the Town of Cary).. http://www.caryems.com/aboutus/bod.php

I think I have heard Ms. Bush raise concerns about possible conflicts of interest in other campaigns. I guess we could consider this a sizable conflict of interest..

..and isn't Laurie Miller listed as the Treasurer for Committee to Elect Lori Bush (Cover page of the same disclosure repoert) http://www.indyweek.com/Elections09/augfinrep/loribush.pdf

I guess if Lori won, she would be beholden to the Miller's once this election is over... as she asserts in her recent video....

[daveu]

I love the subject of this thread....Direct....to the point...No confusion..

[chaboard]

[SIZE=2]
[B]On the EMS and Safety: In each year’s budget, the Town of Cary gives $1 for each citizen in Cary to non-profits. In our current budget, we are giving $134,000 to non-profits. In an effort to de-politicize the non-profit selection process, the Council has the departments determine which organizations compliment the business of the Town and have a real need for the funds. This past year, we contributed to organizations such as SAFEchild, Women’s Center of Wake County, and COPE Eldercare. The Cary EMS is not part of the Town’s government and is a private non-profit organization supported by subscription membership. Its net assets total about 2.4 million. Because its assets total approximately 120% of the annual operating budget, our staff recommended that we not support the Cary EMS this year and the Council supported that recommendation. This is on Lori’s platform because one of her key campaign workers serves as the chairman of the Cary EMS board. It is a conflict of interest to advocate for funds for the non-profit of one of your key financial supporters.


To be specific here.... Let's see.... According to Lori Bush's August Campaign Finance Report (filed 9/1/09) posted by Indy Weekly
http://www.indyweek.com/Elections09/augfinrep/loribush.pdf

Hmmm...let's see Page 8 of 10.....
Brent Miller in-kind donation $581.59
Laurie Miller donations to date $405.90

For a total of $987.49 as of 9/1/09....

This would be Brent Miller, Chairman of the Board, Cary EMS (A private organization...not run by the Town of Cary).. http://www.caryems.com/aboutus/bod.php

I think I have heard Ms. Bush raise concerns about possible conflicts of interest in other campaigns. I guess we could consider this a sizable conflict of interest..

..and isn't Laurie Miller listed as the Treasurer for Committee to Elect Lori Bush (Cover page of the same disclosure repoert) http://www.indyweek.com/Elections09/augfinrep/loribush.pdf

I guess if Lori won, she would be beholden to the Miller's once this election is over... as she asserts in her recent video....


Let me get this straight....are you seriously saying that advocating for an organization that (LITERALLY!!) saves the lives of Cary citizens every single day is something that can only be explained by a conflict of interest?

That's just stupid. And Jennifer Robinson (as well as the rest of the current Council) should be downright ashamed at leaving EMS out in the cold....there is no justification or excuse for it.

[dhyatt]

[snip]

That's just stupid. And Jennifer Robinson (as well as the rest of the current Council) should be downright ashamed at leaving EMS out in the cold....there is no justification or excuse for it.

Unless of course you happen to know the whole story, which is simply that Cary EMS didn't and doesn't really need the money. Cary Town Council wisely decided to use the limited funds it donates to non-profits for those groups that truly needed it. The ones who should be ashamed are really the Cary EMS folks who asked for $5000 to offset the cost for co-location which they previously agreed to pay and those that have made it a political issue when it clearly isn't.

From the June 9th, 2009 budget work session minutes...

Mrs. Adcock asked why it’s different from approval for other non-profits. Chief Cain said that Cary EMS agreed to co-locate in fire station five and agreed to pay a portion share of operating costs this last year. Cary EMS is a non-profit contractual organization for Wake County that makes money and offsets their operating expenses by about $200,000-$300,000 a year for the past two-three years. They have a healthy revenue stream and are very viable. Chief Cain said a request was made to the Town about two or three months ago to forgive the operating costs and an interest was expressed to maintain the agreement to co-locate, which means they agreed to pay the operating costs. There was a separate deal made for the Town to forgive that. Mr. Shivar responded to the request by saying that they did not need to do that because the county does not provide any direct monetary subsidy for Cary EMS . Chief Cain said station five is affected by the economic situation as every one else, but they have a viable sustainable revenue. He does not recommend funding for fire station five.
Council voted 5-2 against funding Cary EMS the $5K. Julie, Erv, Gale, Jack, and Jennifer voted against. We all know who the only one is that taking the trumped up heat over it though.

[daveu]

Why does the response not address the matter of the Davis & High House vote? That seems to be a major missing element.

Joe,
I don't think it's a major element at all. The corner of Davis Drive and High House road is one corner in the entire town of Cary. A group of people who have some money to burn and an axe to grind are the only people I can find who consider it a "major element". Whenever I talk to people about it, they seem to expect that to develop. In fact, most think it will be an improvement over the junk that is on part of that property. As far as I am concerned, that is one site plan in a 10 year period...

Since this discussion keeps gravitating to growth, let's talk about that...

davisandhighouse and Lori seem to want to speak about all of the developments that Jennifer has approved while on Town Council. I don't see them mentioning that Lori Bush was on the Planning and Zoning Board from 2004-2007... When she attended the meetings, it looks like Lori recommended approval for many of the plans that went through P&Z during that period. Hmmm....P&Z provides recommendations to Town Council. Lori Bush and her peers on P&Z during that period recommended approval of how many subdivision plans and how many Land Use Amendments during this period?

I don't see the davisandhighhouse "non-profit" discussing that... In fact many of their statements seem a bit false and misleading to me..


I happened to be googling a bit this evening and I found an article in the N & O (09/20/09)
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/election-complaint-about-wake-education-partnership

"As noted in today's article, that's alleged in the complaint filed late Friday with the state Board of Elections by Joe Ciulla. He alleges that the statements in the Partnership's newsletter, In Context, violate the group's non-profit status.

"It's far beyond their place to make false statements in support of their candidates," Ciulla said."


Perhaps you should start asking the same question of davisandhighhouse Joe...

[MattD]

[quote=chaboard;56798][snip]

Cary Town Council wisely decided to use the limited funds it donates to non-profits for those groups that truly needed it.

I can hear Michael Joyce's screams from the coast....

[MattD]

Since this discussion keeps gravitating to growth, let's talk about that...

Hmmm....P&Z provides recommendations to Town Council. Lori Bush and her peers on P&Z during that period recommended approval of how many subdivision plans and how many Land Use Amendments during this period?

That's really a big stretch... While serving on P&Z (with Lori and DonF), we gave many recommendations to Town Council. However, Council tended to only use our advice when it seemed to fit their vote.

I can't tell you how many plans P&Z suggested. However, I can tell you that as a P&Z member I voted against more developments during my 3 years then Council did.

[daveu]

[SIZE=2]
[B]On the EMS and Safety: In each year’s budget, the Town of Cary gives $1 for each citizen in Cary to non-profits. In our current budget, we are giving $134,000 to non-profits. In an effort to de-politicize the non-profit selection process, the Council has the departments determine which organizations compliment the business of the Town and have a real need for the funds. This past year, we contributed to organizations such as SAFEchild, Women’s Center of Wake County, and COPE Eldercare. The Cary EMS is not part of the Town’s government and is a private non-profit organization supported by subscription membership. Its net assets total about 2.4 million. Because its assets total approximately 120% of the annual operating budget, our staff recommended that we not support the Cary EMS this year and the Council supported that recommendation. This is on Lori’s platform because one of her key campaign workers serves as the chairman of the Cary EMS board. It is a conflict of interest to advocate for funds for the non-profit of one of your key financial supporters.


To be specific here.... Let's see.... According to Lori Bush's August Campaign Finance Report (filed 9/1/09) posted by Indy Weekly
http://www.indyweek.com/Elections09/augfinrep/loribush.pdf

Hmmm...let's see Page 8 of 10.....
Brent Miller in-kind donation $581.59
Laurie Miller donations to date $405.90

For a total of $987.49 as of 9/1/09....

This would be Brent Miller, Chairman of the Board, Cary EMS (A private organization...not run by the Town of Cary).. http://www.caryems.com/aboutus/bod.php

I think I have heard Ms. Bush raise concerns about possible conflicts of interest in other campaigns. I guess we could consider this a sizable conflict of interest..

..and isn't Laurie Miller listed as the Treasurer for Committee to Elect Lori Bush (Cover page of the same disclosure repoert) http://www.indyweek.com/Elections09/augfinrep/loribush.pdf

I guess if Lori won, she would be beholden to the Miller's once this election is over... as she asserts in her recent video....


Let me get this straight....are you seriously saying that advocating for an organization that (LITERALLY!!) saves the lives of Cary citizens every single day is something that can only be explained by a conflict of interest?

That's just stupid. And Jennifer Robinson (as well as the rest of the current Council) should be downright ashamed at leaving EMS out in the cold....there is no justification or excuse for it.

Thank you for your thoughtful response..You always gain credibility when you start one of your statements with "That's just stupid." ...Ok, evidently you are just ignorant because you don't understand the facts....

1) Read Don's post for the facts on Cary EMS. He has posted some facts. I think Chicken Little posted some fact about Cary EMS as well.. I know it is hard, but read the facts.

2) Fact, Brent is on the Cary EMS Board and he is helping to finance Lori's campaign. If Lori wants to assert that taking donations from special interests makes a candidate beholden to them, I am glad to pile on. Lori has made this assertion, I am just applying it to her situation.

3) Fact...I think Lori is very shallow and has nothing of her own to ride on... Here are a couple of data points for you on one of her main campaign issues (listed first on her issues tab)...

A couple of bullets from lori4cary. org
"•I will make sure that our police, fire fighters, and Cary EMS have all of the resources they need to do their job. That means funding Cary EMS as well as restoring School Resource Officers to their important places in our schools.
•Police, fire and EMS need to be fully funded to maintain our "safe city" status. "

Cary Town Council Meeting Minutes -Thursday, May 25, 2006
Mr. Brent Miller spoke in favor of reinstating the elementary school resource officers (SROs) and maintaining the $10,000 in funding for the Cary EMS in the FY 2007 budget. He stated he serves on the Cary EMS board of directors, and many people are not aware that this organization is not part of the Town government. He stated Cary EMS is nationally accredited, and has a budget in excess of $1 million, of which the Town only funds $10,000, which is about one dime per citizen served. He urged council to restore the full $10,000 in funding to this organization. He stated the FY 2007 budget proposes to cut the allocation by about 35%. He also urged council to budget $330,000 to restore the previous level of service for elementary SROs.

Let me get this straight....Is Lori running for Town Council or is Brent....????

Have you ever seen the Wizard of Oz???

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

It looks to me like someone is already pulling her strings and she isn't even in office....

[dhyatt]

Thank you for your thoughtful response..You always gain credibility when you start one of your statements with "That's just stupid." ...Ok, evidently you are just ignorant because you don't understand the facts....


Well if you don't want me to call your posts stupid, you could stop typing stupid stuff. But I see no reason to hold my breath.



1) Read Don's post for the facts on Cary EMS. He has posted some facts. I think Chicken Little posted some fact about Cary EMS as well.. I know it is hard, but read the facts.


I've read the facts Don posted. I find them completely and utterly irrelevant. EMS is a basic service a la fire and police and the Town *should* be paying for ALL of it. Every last cent. Niggardly denying the puny, tiny requests they made is still indefensible.

[snip]

You are aware that Cary EMS wishes to remain an independent non-profit and not be absorbed by the town? That being the case, do you think Cary should take over EMS services anyway? May or not be a reasonable thing to do but I think any discussion along those lines should probably wait a bit.

[chaboard]

Thank you for your thoughtful response..You always gain credibility when you start one of your statements with "That's just stupid." ...Ok, evidently you are just ignorant because you don't understand the facts....


Well if you don't want me to call your posts stupid, you could stop typing stupid stuff. But I see no reason to hold my breath.



1) Read Don's post for the facts on Cary EMS. He has posted some facts. I think Chicken Little posted some fact about Cary EMS as well.. I know it is hard, but read the facts.


I've read the facts Don posted. I find them completely and utterly irrelevant. EMS is a basic service a la fire and police and the Town *should* be paying for ALL of it. Every last cent. Niggardly denying the puny, tiny requests they made is still indefensible.

[snip]

You are aware that Cary EMS wishes to remain an independent non-profit and not be absorbed by the town? That being the case, do you think Cary should take over EMS services anyway? May or not be a reasonable thing to do but I think any discussion along those lines should probably wait a bit.

Well since we can't seem to find even $10,000 for them ....I think we can safely postpone any talk of a takeover. But we still have a responsibility to pony up.

[daveu]

Thank you for your thoughtful response..You always gain credibility when you start one of your statements with "That's just stupid." ...Ok, evidently you are just ignorant because you don't understand the facts....


Well if you don't want me to call your posts stupid, you could stop typing stupid stuff. But I see no reason to hold my breath.



1) Read Don's post for the facts on Cary EMS. He has posted some facts. I think Chicken Little posted some fact about Cary EMS as well.. I know it is hard, but read the facts.


I've read the facts Don posted. I find them completely and utterly irrelevant. EMS is a basic service a la fire and police and the Town *should* be paying for ALL of it. Every last cent. Niggardly denying the puny, tiny requests they made is still indefensible.

Every single member of council has *dozens* of constituents every year (and I'm pretty sure that's a lowball estimate) who owe their very LIVES to EMS. We're not talking neighborhood beautification or dog parks or street festivals....we're literally talking life & death. EMS often responds to the same calls that the police and fire departments respond to.....we spend millions and millions on the latter, why can't we spare the equivalent of one Town salary for the former?



2) Fact, Brent is on the Cary EMS Board and he is helping to finance Lori's campaign. If Lori wants to assert that taking donations from special interests makes a candidate beholden to them, I am glad to pile on. Lori has made this assertion, I am just applying it to her situation.


There you go again - piling on the stupid. A non-profit EMS is not a "special interest" in any meaningful sense of the term. I've never met either Brent nor Lori, I did not support Lori or Jennifer, I really don't care all that much who wins that race. But anyone who would stoop low enough to call a non-profit EMS a "special interest" is certainly someone who can make me reconsider that position. Fast.



3) Fact...I think Lori is very shallow and has nothing of her own to ride on... Here are a couple of data points for you on one of her main campaign issues ''

[deleted]

It looks to me like someone is already pulling her strings and she isn't even in office....

I have no interest in either your mud-flinging or Lori's campaign issues. I'm not calling you out on your petty ignorant ******** because I support Bush (I don't) - I'm calling out your petty ignorant hateful ******** because I have a son who would not be alive right now if not for the EMS service you call a "special interest". And There are people all over Cary who have sons & daughters and husbands and wives and mothers and fathers who would be dead & buried if not for what you so blithely write off as a "special interest". This is about something much, much more important than who gets to sit on a town council for a few years.

Your entire argument is not only stupid and indefensible..it is offensive. I sure hope the Jennifer Robinson who I've sat through Eagle Scout ceremonies with would disassociate herself from such positions.

Again, a very thoughtful post. You do show your true maturity in your online behavior.

I have absolutely nothing against the Cary EMS. I have a great deal of respect for Police, Fire and EMS professionals. In fact, my brother-in-law was a paramedic in Palm Beach County, FL for a very long time until he retired.

In the case of Cary EMS, it provides a vital service to Cary. At the same time it is a business. Businesses make arrangements for the use of facilities (like fire stations). The Town decided to have them live up to their end of the arrangement. Very simple. Nothing emotional here.. just discussing the business aspect of this...

You seem to think the term "special interest" is some sort sinister being... Nothing sinister... In this case, Cary EMS (the group) is looking to get additional funding from the Town of Cary to fund co-location ..Brent (one of Lori's supporters and associated with Cary EMS) obviously wants to help secure additional funding... just facts...no emotion on this end.

You can get emotional all you want. I was not the one who brought Cary EMS into the entire political discussion during this campaign season.. I am just pointing out some facts that are not being disclosed... If you don't like it, I don't care..

Since you are emotional, you obviously cannot have a rational discussion about it. Probably best for you to get in on a different thread.. Have a nice evening.

[JoeCiulla]

Why does the response not address the matter of the Davis & High House vote? That seems to be a major missing element.

Joe,
I don't think it's a major element at all. The corner of Davis Drive and High House road is one corner in the entire town of Cary. A group of people who have some money to burn and an axe to grind are the only people I can find who consider it a "major element". Whenever I talk to people about it, they seem to expect that to develop. In fact, most think it will be an improvement over the junk that is on part of that property. As far as I am concerned, that is one site plan in a 10 year period...

Since this discussion keeps gravitating to growth, let's talk about that...

davisandhighouse and Lori seem to want to speak about all of the developments that Jennifer has approved while on Town Council. I don't see them mentioning that Lori Bush was on the Planning and Zoning Board from 2004-2007... When she attended the meetings, it looks like Lori recommended approval for many of the plans that went through P&Z during that period. Hmmm....P&Z provides recommendations to Town Council. Lori Bush and her peers on P&Z during that period recommended approval of how many subdivision plans and how many Land Use Amendments during this period?

I don't see the davisandhighhouse "non-profit" discussing that... In fact many of their statements seem a bit false and misleading to me..


I happened to be googling a bit this evening and I found an article in the N & O (09/20/09)
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/election-complaint-about-wake-education-partnership

"As noted in today's article, that's alleged in the complaint filed late Friday with the state Board of Elections by Joe Ciulla. He alleges that the statements in the Partnership's newsletter, In Context, violate the group's non-profit status.

"It's far beyond their place to make false statements in support of their candidates," Ciulla said."


Perhaps you should start asking the same question of davisandhighhouse Joe...

Dave,

You grossly underestimate the impact of the DHH development. Have you driven by there lately? The intersection is not just being "developed," it is being turned into Crossroads West. And since you mentioned P&Z, are you aware that P&Z voted against that project, but Jennifer Robinson voted for it.

My good friend chaboard pointed out that the sleaziest part of the approval process for this project was the last-minute games that were played with a line on the map to negate the valid protest petition. The people with the VALID protest petition were people who live in Jennifer Robinson's district, her own constituents. The developers come from far away places like Texas. She let them show her the money and sold out her constituents.

As to your googling....
The article you found had to do with WakeEd partnership, which is a non-profit corporation. As such, they are not allowed to influence election results. DHH is a PAC (The "P" stands for Political) and they are fully entitled to influence elections. To learn more, go to www.wakegov.com. Nothing DHH published was not factual, Jennifer Robinson just doesn't like the facts.

Again, why did Jennifer Robinson's "rebuttal" not address the key issue of the DHH development. Everyone in Cary knows that the DHH approval was the lightning rod which helped propel Ernie out of office.

[Belle]

That's just stupid. And Jennifer Robinson (as well as the rest of the current Council) should be downright ashamed at leaving EMS out in the cold....there is no justification or excuse for it.


The EMS had $150,000 in the bank that was not allocated for anything else. They were not out in the cold. Other organizations were needy and the money went there instead.

I personally think the whole organization is a town responsibility, but with that funding the town should maintain a certain amount of control. I'd love to hear from Brent on this.

[daveu]

Why does the response not address the matter of the Davis & High House vote? That seems to be a major missing element.

Joe,
I don't think it's a major element at all. The corner of Davis Drive and High House road is one corner in the entire town of Cary. A group of people who have some money to burn and an axe to grind are the only people I can find who consider it a "major element". Whenever I talk to people about it, they seem to expect that to develop. In fact, most think it will be an improvement over the junk that is on part of that property. As far as I am concerned, that is one site plan in a 10 year period...

Since this discussion keeps gravitating to growth, let's talk about that...

davisandhighouse and Lori seem to want to speak about all of the developments that Jennifer has approved while on Town Council. I don't see them mentioning that Lori Bush was on the Planning and Zoning Board from 2004-2007... When she attended the meetings, it looks like Lori recommended approval for many of the plans that went through P&Z during that period. Hmmm....P&Z provides recommendations to Town Council. Lori Bush and her peers on P&Z during that period recommended approval of how many subdivision plans and how many Land Use Amendments during this period?

I don't see the davisandhighhouse "non-profit" discussing that... In fact many of their statements seem a bit false and misleading to me..


I happened to be googling a bit this evening and I found an article in the N & O (09/20/09)
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/election-complaint-about-wake-education-partnership

"As noted in today's article, that's alleged in the complaint filed late Friday with the state Board of Elections by Joe Ciulla. He alleges that the statements in the Partnership's newsletter, In Context, violate the group's non-profit status.

"It's far beyond their place to make false statements in support of their candidates," Ciulla said."


Perhaps you should start asking the same question of davisandhighhouse Joe...

Dave,

You grossly underestimate the impact of the DHH development. Have you driven by there lately? The intersection is not just being "developed," it is being turned into Crossroads West. And since you mentioned P&Z, are you aware that P&Z voted against that project, but Jennifer Robinson voted for it.

My good friend chaboard pointed out that the sleaziest part of the approval process for this project was the last-minute games that were played with a line on the map to negate the valid protest petition. The people with the VALID protest petition were people who live in Jennifer Robinson's district, her own constituents. The developers come from far away places like Texas. She let them show her the money and sold out her constituents.

As to your googling....
The article you found had to do with WakeEd partnership, which is a non-profit corporation. As such, they are not allowed to influence election results. DHH is a PAC (The "P" stands for Political) and they are fully entitled to influence elections. To learn more, go to www.wakegov.com. Nothing DHH published was not factual, Jennifer Robinson just doesn't like the facts.

Again, why did Jennifer Robinson's "rebuttal" not address the key issue of the DHH development. Everyone in Cary knows that the DHH approval was the lightning rod which helped propel Ernie out of office.

Joe,
I drive through there all the time and I disagree with your assessment. So do many of my neighbors. If I wanted to find a Crossroads West, I would look over toward Beaver Creek area of Apex. There are similar entry and exit issues with that shopping area...The D&HH corner is similar to many corners in the triangle (and any other town for that matter). Traffic is busy during the morning and evening rush.. Then it tails off.

Davis Drive and High house road is a corner that has been destined to develop for many years. When I moved to West Cary in the mid 90's, I could tell this. When I talk to my friends and neighbor's, they seem to agree with me. Most are surprised it has taken this long.

I do find it interesting that many of the people raising concerns about growth in Cary seem to live in some of the very subdivisions that have contributed to this growth over the years. I have actually contributed twice... (Once when I purchased my home in Brookstone in 1996.... and again when I purchased my home in West Cary)... Note that I fully expect this area to develop around me in the future.. (Yes, the corner of Green Level to Durham and Carpenter Fire Station Rd will develop on all four corners sometime down the road...)

Also note... I stayed in West Cary and I still think it is a great place to live.

[Belle]

Why does the response not address the matter of the Davis & High House vote? That seems to be a major missing element.

Joe,
I don't think it's a major element at all. The corner of Davis Drive and High House road is one corner in the entire town of Cary. A group of people who have some money to burn and an axe to grind are the only people I can find who consider it a "major element". Whenever I talk to people about it, they seem to expect that to develop. In fact, most think it will be an improvement over the junk that is on part of that property. As far as I am concerned, that is one site plan in a 10 year period...

Since this discussion keeps gravitating to growth, let's talk about that...

davisandhighouse and Lori seem to want to speak about all of the developments that Jennifer has approved while on Town Council. I don't see them mentioning that Lori Bush was on the Planning and Zoning Board from 2004-2007... When she attended the meetings, it looks like Lori recommended approval for many of the plans that went through P&Z during that period. Hmmm....P&Z provides recommendations to Town Council. Lori Bush and her peers on P&Z during that period recommended approval of how many subdivision plans and how many Land Use Amendments during this period?

I don't see the davisandhighhouse "non-profit" discussing that... In fact many of their statements seem a bit false and misleading to me..


I happened to be googling a bit this evening and I found an article in the N & O (09/20/09)
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/election-complaint-about-wake-education-partnership

"As noted in today's article, that's alleged in the complaint filed late Friday with the state Board of Elections by Joe Ciulla. He alleges that the statements in the Partnership's newsletter, In Context, violate the group's non-profit status.

"It's far beyond their place to make false statements in support of their candidates," Ciulla said."


Perhaps you should start asking the same question of davisandhighhouse Joe...

Dave,

You grossly underestimate the impact of the DHH development. Have you driven by there lately? The intersection is not just being "developed," it is being turned into Crossroads West. And since you mentioned P&Z, are you aware that P&Z voted against that project, but Jennifer Robinson voted for it.

My good friend chaboard pointed out that the sleaziest part of the approval process for this project was the last-minute games that were played with a line on the map to negate the valid protest petition. The people with the VALID protest petition were people who live in Jennifer Robinson's district, her own constituents. The developers come from far away places like Texas. She let them show her the money and sold out her constituents.

As to your googling....
The article you found had to do with WakeEd partnership, which is a non-profit corporation. As such, they are not allowed to influence election results. DHH is a PAC (The "P" stands for Political) and they are fully entitled to influence elections. To learn more, go to www.wakegov.com. Nothing DHH published was not factual, Jennifer Robinson just doesn't like the facts.

Again, why did Jennifer Robinson's "rebuttal" not address the key issue of the DHH development. Everyone in Cary knows that the DHH approval was the lightning rod which helped propel Ernie out of office.

Joe-

You brought up a couple of good points.

Have you ever called Jennifer and asked her about DHH? Many people in the course of the campaign have called to discuss the issue directly. It's not unusual for a voter to have an issue that is not addressed in her literature. I know she is willing to take questions on anything from anyone.

As for the WakeEd partnership, I completely agree with your position that non-profits should not be using their resources to influence elections.

[VVActivist]

As for the WakeEd partnership, I completely agree with your position that non-profits should not be using their resources to influence elections.

How different is the WakeEd partnership than the WSCA?

[Belle]

As for the WakeEd partnership, I completely agree with your position that non-profits should not be using their resources to influence elections.

How different is the WakeEd partnership than the WSCA?

WSCA is a registered PAC organized for political purposes.

WakeEd is a 501 (c)3 non profit, accepting tax-free donations on their statement that they are organized for non-political political purposes. If they were organized for political purposes they could not collect tax exempt contributions.

[JoeCiulla]

Why does the response not address the matter of the Davis & High House vote? That seems to be a major missing element.

Joe,
I don't think it's a major element at all. The corner of Davis Drive and High House road is one corner in the entire town of Cary. A group of people who have some money to burn and an axe to grind are the only people I can find who consider it a "major element". Whenever I talk to people about it, they seem to expect that to develop. In fact, most think it will be an improvement over the junk that is on part of that property. As far as I am concerned, that is one site plan in a 10 year period...

Since this discussion keeps gravitating to growth, let's talk about that...

davisandhighouse and Lori seem to want to speak about all of the developments that Jennifer has approved while on Town Council. I don't see them mentioning that Lori Bush was on the Planning and Zoning Board from 2004-2007... When she attended the meetings, it looks like Lori recommended approval for many of the plans that went through P&Z during that period. Hmmm....P&Z provides recommendations to Town Council. Lori Bush and her peers on P&Z during that period recommended approval of how many subdivision plans and how many Land Use Amendments during this period?

I don't see the davisandhighhouse "non-profit" discussing that... In fact many of their statements seem a bit false and misleading to me..


I happened to be googling a bit this evening and I found an article in the N & O (09/20/09)
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/election-complaint-about-wake-education-partnership

"As noted in today's article, that's alleged in the complaint filed late Friday with the state Board of Elections by Joe Ciulla. He alleges that the statements in the Partnership's newsletter, In Context, violate the group's non-profit status.

"It's far beyond their place to make false statements in support of their candidates," Ciulla said."


Perhaps you should start asking the same question of davisandhighhouse Joe...

Dave,

You grossly underestimate the impact of the DHH development. Have you driven by there lately? The intersection is not just being "developed," it is being turned into Crossroads West. And since you mentioned P&Z, are you aware that P&Z voted against that project, but Jennifer Robinson voted for it.

My good friend chaboard pointed out that the sleaziest part of the approval process for this project was the last-minute games that were played with a line on the map to negate the valid protest petition. The people with the VALID protest petition were people who live in Jennifer Robinson's district, her own constituents. The developers come from far away places like Texas. She let them show her the money and sold out her constituents.

As to your googling....
The article you found had to do with WakeEd partnership, which is a non-profit corporation. As such, they are not allowed to influence election results. DHH is a PAC (The "P" stands for Political) and they are fully entitled to influence elections. To learn more, go to www.wakegov.com. Nothing DHH published was not factual, Jennifer Robinson just doesn't like the facts.

Again, why did Jennifer Robinson's "rebuttal" not address the key issue of the DHH development. Everyone in Cary knows that the DHH approval was the lightning rod which helped propel Ernie out of office.

Joe-

You brought up a couple of good points.

Have you ever called Jennifer and asked her about DHH? Many people in the course of the campaign have called to discuss the issue directly. It's not unusual for a voter to have an issue that is not addressed in her literature. I know she is willing to take questions on anything from anyone.

As for the WakeEd partnership, I completely agree with your position that non-profits should not be using their resources to influence elections.

I had a conversation with Jennifer last year regarding DHH (I am not a member, but live on the same side of town). I strongly suggested to her that she should reach out to the DHH leadership and discuss the matter. Unfortunately, I believe she did not do that. She may or may not have changed anyone's minds, but I would like to have seen her make the effort.

[Icorpse]

Dave U --

I believe that Cary can spare $5000 for EMS and maybe 1 or 2 SROs in the vulnerable elementary schools within the city. Brent and his wife have every right to support a candidate they like. If it were not for folks like him, and a concerted effort on the part of other like him, we would still have the Ernie Mac types running this town. So, I think your effort to drag Brent and his wife into this thread is not proper. Please leave them out of this discussion.

Jennifer will have to answer some questions if there is a run-off in Nov. She needs to come out and explain why she voted for DHH, which she has not done to this date. Perhaps, you should ask your candidate to focus on that. I expect the runoffs to be even tighter and unless she can mobilize her supporters, she will be in real trouble.

[Don]

Dave,

You grossly underestimate the impact of the DHH development. Have you driven by there lately? The intersection is not just being "developed," it is being turned into Crossroads West. And since you mentioned P&Z, are you aware that P&Z voted against that project, but Jennifer Robinson voted for it.

Not quite.

http://townofcary.org/Sunshine/Boards___Commissions/Planning_and_Zoning/P_Z_Board_Minutes_Archives/2006_Minutes/March_20__2006.htm

P+Z, with Lori Bush voted for Sears Farm.

http://74.125.47.132/u/Cary?q=cache:BP8-cR_N6tkJ:www.townofcary.org/depts/dsdept/P%26Z/rezonings/2005cases/05-rez-40/40tcimpact.htm+05-rez-40&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

[Mntnbkr]

Dave,

You grossly underestimate the impact of the DHH development. Have you driven by there lately? The intersection is not just being "developed," it is being turned into Crossroads West. And since you mentioned P&Z, are you aware that P&Z voted against that project, but Jennifer Robinson voted for it.

Not quite.

http://townofcary.org/Sunshine/Boards___Commissions/Planning_and_Zoning/P_Z_Board_Minutes_Archives/2006_Minutes/March_20__2006.htm

P+Z, with Lori Bush voted for Sears Farm.

http://74.125.47.132/u/Cary?q=cache:BP8-cR_N6tkJ:www.townofcary.org/depts/dsdept/P%26Z/rezonings/2005cases/05-rez-40/40tcimpact.htm+05-rez-40&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

I'm confused. The first link does not have anything to do with the DHH development. The P&Z minutes for the last Sears Farm PDD Amendment, and the Cornerstone Mixed Use Sketch Plan (aka DHH) are actually here:

http://69.64.79.146/Sunshine/Boards___Commissions/Planning_and_Zoning/P_Z_Board_Minutes_Archives/2007_Minutes/June_18__2007.htm

In both cases the P&Z voted against approval by a 4 to 3 margin. Lori Bush was not on the P&Z at that time, but Don Frantz and Kelly Commisky were and they were two of the no votes.

Come on Don, the least you can do is provide accurate information if you're going to post 8-)

[daveu]

Dave,

You grossly underestimate the impact of the DHH development. Have you driven by there lately? The intersection is not just being "developed," it is being turned into Crossroads West. And since you mentioned P&Z, are you aware that P&Z voted against that project, but Jennifer Robinson voted for it.

Not quite.

http://townofcary.org/Sunshine/Boards___Commissions/Planning_and_Zoning/P_Z_Board_Minutes_Archives/2006_Minutes/March_20__2006.htm

P+Z, with Lori Bush voted for Sears Farm.

http://74.125.47.132/u/Cary?q=cache:BP8-cR_N6tkJ:www.townofcary.org/depts/dsdept/P%26Z/rezonings/2005cases/05-rez-40/40tcimpact.htm+05-rez-40&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

Don,
That is an awesome bit of research there... Lori Bush voted FOR Sears Farm at the corner of Davis Dr and High House Road while she was on the Town of Cary Planning and Zoning Board.... WOW.... Outstanding.....

[MattD]

Dave,

You grossly underestimate the impact of the DHH development. Have you driven by there lately? The intersection is not just being "developed," it is being turned into Crossroads West. And since you mentioned P&Z, are you aware that P&Z voted against that project, but Jennifer Robinson voted for it.

Not quite.

http://townofcary.org/Sunshine/Boards___Commissions/Planning_and_Zoning/P_Z_Board_Minutes_Archives/2006_Minutes/March_20__2006.htm

P+Z, with Lori Bush voted for Sears Farm.

http://74.125.47.132/u/Cary?q=cache:BP8-cR_N6tkJ:www.townofcary.org/depts/dsdept/P%26Z/rezonings/2005cases/05-rez-40/40tcimpact.htm+05-rez-40&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

Don,
That is an awesome bit of research there... Lori Bush voted FOR Sears Farm at the corner of Davis Dr and High House Road while she was on the Town of Cary Planning and Zoning Board.... WOW.... Outstanding.....

Let's be very clear on this - Sears Farm was ALREADY approved by Town Council. What was before P&Z was an amendment to the plan. That is a very big difference.

[Don]

Let's be very clear on this - Sears Farm was ALREADY approved by Town Council. What was before P&Z was an amendment to the plan. That is a very big difference.

An amendment that increased the overall density of the project, added a hotel and parking, and reduced the amount of open space correct?

Isn't that voting FOR it?

What's the difference?

[Mntnbkr]

Dave,

You grossly underestimate the impact of the DHH development. Have you driven by there lately? The intersection is not just being "developed," it is being turned into Crossroads West. And since you mentioned P&Z, are you aware that P&Z voted against that project, but Jennifer Robinson voted for it.

Not quite.

http://townofcary.org/Sunshine/Boards___Commissions/Planning_and_Zoning/P_Z_Board_Minutes_Archives/2006_Minutes/March_20__2006.htm

P+Z, with Lori Bush voted for Sears Farm.

http://74.125.47.132/u/Cary?q=cache:BP8-cR_N6tkJ:www.townofcary.org/depts/dsdept/P%26Z/rezonings/2005cases/05-rez-40/40tcimpact.htm+05-rez-40&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

I'm confused. The first link does not have anything to do with the DHH development. The P&Z minutes for the last Sears Farm PDD Amendment, and the Cornerstone Mixed Use Sketch Plan (aka DHH) are actually here:

http://69.64.79.146/Sunshine/Boards___Commissions/Planning_and_Zoning/P_Z_Board_Minutes_Archives/2007_Minutes/June_18__2007.htm

In both cases the P&Z voted against approval by a 4 to 3 margin. Lori Bush was not on the P&Z at that time, but Don Frantz and Kelly Commisky were and they were two of the no votes.

Come on Don, the least you can do is provide accurate information if you're going to post 8-)

My bad, Don and Kelly voted FOR the amendment for the Sears Farm PDD Amendment - P&Z approved it 5 to 1.

[kellyc]

My bad, Don and Kelly voted FOR the amendment for the Sears Farm PDD Amendment - P&Z approved it 5 to 1.

Yes I did, and I believe the Sears Farm Plan has the potential to be a treasure in Cary. I voted for it and would vote for it again as presented.

[daveu]

Let's be very clear on this - Sears Farm was ALREADY approved by Town Council. What was before P&Z was an amendment to the plan. That is a very big difference.

An amendment that increased the overall density of the project, added a hotel and parking, and reduced the amount of open space correct?

Isn't that voting FOR it?

What's the difference?

Don, The difference is that she vote for 'it'......PLUS

If she was really against developing Davis and High House, she could have voted against this..... I guess she is only against the vote that she did not participate in ...

[Don]

My bad, Don and Kelly voted FOR the amendment for the Sears Farm PDD Amendment - P&Z approved it 5 to 1.

Yes I did, and I believe the Sears Farm Plan has the potential to be a treasure in Cary. I voted for it and would vote for it again as presented.

I too would vote for Sears Farm again. While only time will tell I believe this project will serve as a model for assisted living development throughout our nation.

Its interesting that 1/2 of what Jennifer is taking heat for (her DHH vote), Lori Bush also voted for.

It is also odd that no one is mentioning that when the "new council" took office we were given the opportunity to revisit DHH and the council unanimously said, "no" and chose to defend the town.

[d4vendel]

It is also odd that no one is mentioning that when the "new council" took office we were given the opportunity to revisit DHH and the council unanimously said, "no" and chose to defend the town.

Can you expand on this, Don? Are you saying that mayor, once "anointed" by DHH, did nothing to help the group "responsible" for putting him into office? What was the opportunity that the council said "no" to?

[Don]

It is also odd that no one is mentioning that when the "new council" took office we were given the opportunity to revisit DHH and the council unanimously said, "no" and chose to defend the town.

Can you expand on this, Don? Are you saying that mayor, once "anointed" by DHH, did nothing to help the group "responsible" for putting him into office? What was the opportunity that the council said "no" to?

Closed Session Minutes:

January 10, 2008

Issue 4: Byrne vs. Town of Cary

Mrs. Simpson stated this lawsuit alleges that the Town of Cary should have required a supermajority vote for the Cornerstone mixed use sketch plan among other allegations. She stated Nick Herman with Mike Brough's lawfirm, has been retained by the town to represent it in the lawsuit. Mr. Herman believes that the town has several grounds or defenses to raise to have the lawsuit dismissed. She stated the previous town council action was to move forward and defend the lawsuit. There was no council dissention, and Mrs. Simpson stated the town and its attorneys will aggressively defend the lawsuit.

And:

From closed session Feb 28, 2008

Mr. Herman stated the plaintiffs and the plantiff's attorney in this lawsuit has asked Mayor Weinbrecht to accept service of this lawsuit and to waive improper service. The town has never been properly served with this lawsuit, and Mr. Herman has repeatedly asked the plaintiff's attorney to appropriately serve the town. He reminded the council that another party to this lawsuit is Crosland. After discussion about the past incorrect method of service, the council decided to take no action to waive improper service of this lawsuit. The Mayor will not personally accept service, and Mr. Herman will continue to urge the plaintiff's attorney to correctly serve the town.

[d4vendel]

January 10, 2008

Issue 4: Byrne vs. Town of Cary

Mrs. Simpson stated this lawsuit alleges that the Town of Cary should have required a supermajority vote for the Cornerstone mixed use sketch plan among other allegations. She stated Nick Herman with Mike Brough's lawfirm, has been retained by the town to represent it in the lawsuit. Mr. Herman believes that the town has several grounds or defenses to raise to have the lawsuit dismissed. She stated the previous town council action was to move forward and defend the lawsuit. There was no council dissention, and Mrs. Simpson stated the town and its attorneys will aggressively defend the lawsuit.


So - not one council member - including the Mayor - felt the Town had done anything wrong in the DHH matter...

And:




From closed session Feb 28, 2008

Mr. Herman stated the plaintiffs and the plantiff's attorney in this lawsuit has asked Mayor Weinbrecht to accept service of this lawsuit and to waive improper service. The town has never been properly served with this lawsuit, and Mr. Herman has repeatedly asked the plaintiff's attorney to appropriately serve the town. He reminded the council that another party to this lawsuit is Crosland. After discussion about the past incorrect method of service, the council decided to take no action to waive improper service of this lawsuit. The Mayor will not personally accept service, and Mr. Herman will continue to urge the plaintiff's attorney to correctly serve the town.


When given the chance to "forgive" the improper service to move a lawsuit brought by DHH forward, the council and mayor did not.

Does that pretty accurately sum it up?

How does one find out when the minutes of closed sessions are released to the public. It looks like there is all kinds of interesting information buried in them!

[JoeCiulla]

So - not one council member - including the Mayor - felt the Town had done anything wrong in the DHH matter...

When given the chance to "forgive" the improper service to move a lawsuit brought by DHH forward, the council and mayor did not.

Does that pretty accurately sum it up?

How does one find out when the minutes of closed sessions are released to the public. It looks like there is all kinds of interesting information buried in them!

Was it your intention to let us all know that Jennifer Robinson voted to allow this project not once, but TWICE????

Given the runoff election is between Jennifer Robinson (who voted twice to support the DHH/Crosland project) and Lori Bush, that seems to be the most timely and relevant bit of information.

[chaboard]

January 10, 2008

Issue 4: Byrne vs. Town of Cary

Mrs. Simpson stated this lawsuit alleges that the Town of Cary should have required a supermajority vote for the Cornerstone mixed use sketch plan among other allegations. She stated Nick Herman with Mike Brough's lawfirm, has been retained by the town to represent it in the lawsuit. Mr. Herman believes that the town has several grounds or defenses to raise to have the lawsuit dismissed. She stated the previous town council action was to move forward and defend the lawsuit. There was no council dissention, and Mrs. Simpson stated the town and its attorneys will aggressively defend the lawsuit.


So - not one council member - including the Mayor - felt the Town had done anything wrong in the DHH matter...

Just to be fair...that is not at all what those minutes say.

A willingness to defend the precedent of previous decisions and or the power of the Council in general is not the same as agreement with (or even condoning of) the specific actions involved*. There is not enough detail in those minutes to say WHAT was actually going on.

(* - For a perfect example on the national stage see the whole torture/prosecution debate. The Obama administration knows perfectly well that serious war crimes were committed by the previous administration. Their refusal (so far) to prosecute those crimes and in fact to defend the actions in court does not in any way however imply agreement with the criminals.)

[d4vendel]

So - not one council member - including the Mayor - felt the Town had done anything wrong in the DHH matter...

When given the chance to "forgive" the improper service to move a lawsuit brought by DHH forward, the council and mayor did not.

Does that pretty accurately sum it up?

How does one find out when the minutes of closed sessions are released to the public. It looks like there is all kinds of interesting information buried in them!

Was it your intention to let us all know that Jennifer Robinson voted to allow this project not once, but TWICE????

Given the runoff election is between Jennifer Robinson (who voted twice to support the DHH/Crosland project) and Lori Bush, that seems to be the most timely and relevant bit of information.

Nice try. Read it again.

The closed session was not a vote to allow the project. That was a done deal. That was not what was being discussed.

What was being discussed was to defend the lawsuit that claimed a super majority was required. As stated in the minutes, "There was no council dissention..." when the question of aggressively defending the lawsuit was raised. If that is not the new council not finding fault with the old council, I don't know what it is. Is that what DHH expected?

The bit from the second closed session simply shows where none of the council were willing to except an improperly served lawsuit even though they apparently had the option to do so.

If we are counting real votes on the development of the property, let's not forget Lori's actions on P&Z.

[Brent]

If we are counting real votes on the development of the property, let's not forget Lori's actions on P&Z.

Let's not.

What was Lori's vote on the Crosland project?

[Brent]

Don Hyatt,

The very first post in this thread, from an anonymous poster, now has content that is "deleted by admin".

What content was deleted, and why?

[dhyatt]

Don Hyatt,

The very first post in this thread, from an anonymous poster, now has content that is "deleted by admin".

What content was deleted, and why?

The deleted content came originally from the Robinson Campaign's website and related to the Sierra Club's decision not to endorse anyone in the District 'A' race. Ms. Robinson has been in contact with a representative from the local chapter of the Sierra Club and after communicating with the representative made the decision to remove the comments from her website. I was requested by the Sierra Club representative to do the same for CP.

[rebmulp]

David F stated: Nice try

Same could be said of your support of a Liberal Republican.

Here is a glimpse at what you are supporting Dave:

I remember the time when the fine folks near Turner Creek Elementarywere protesting a nearby development . They were protesting the "Connectivity Ordinance" requiring three connections into/out of the neighborhood.

Jennifer loves this ordinance.

It backfired when Council rejected Jennifer’s attempt to violate the property rights of adjacent non-Cary citizens by running the mandatory third connection through their peaceful Wake County neighborhood. This was her attempt to represent citizens by disrupting a rural neighborhood instead of changing the foolish ordinance.

This left a third connection behind a District A neighborhood. On paper this made no sense topographically, but by ordinance, it was voted on to proceed .... to disturb their neighborhood.

She of course voted against the same ordinance she supports because it was in her District. Now that makes sense … does it not? Or does that sound like a politician?

Support if fully regardless of where it is in Cary or change the ordinance !!! Has she ever thought of that concept of governing? NO she has not!

Jennifer found herself in a pickle. I visited with the neighbors (she also attended and was late), which was one of the last public citizen meetings I had. This was a very sad moment, as I felt bad for the citizens that they were so poorly represented by their District representative.

And just think Dave … you knew nothing about this poor representation. You instead just blindly support her because she happens to be a registered republican.

Maybe someday you will wake up and see Representation is the true R in politics.

Someday the R will be rid of RINOs, and once again we can be proud to represent as Republicans. Until then, conservatives will do our best to rid the Jennifers of the GOP.

You are either with us or against us Dave!

Mike

[Brent]

Don Hyatt,

The very first post in this thread, from an anonymous poster, now has content that is "deleted by admin".

What content was deleted, and why?

The deleted content came originally from the Robinson Campaign's website and related to the Sierra Club's decision not to endorse anyone in the District 'A' race. Ms. Robinson has been in contact with a representative from the local chapter of the Sierra Club and after communicating with the representative made the decision to remove the comments from her website. I was requested by the Sierra Club representative to do the same for CP.

Why did Ms. Robinson remove this material from her website?

[dhyatt]

Don Hyatt,

The very first post in this thread, from an anonymous poster, now has content that is "deleted by admin".

What content was deleted, and why?

The deleted content came originally from the Robinson Campaign's website and related to the Sierra Club's decision not to endorse anyone in the District 'A' race. Ms. Robinson has been in contact with a representative from the local chapter of the Sierra Club and after communicating with the representative made the decision to remove the comments from her website. I was requested by the Sierra Club representative to do the same for CP.

Why did Ms. Robinson remove this material from her website?

I do not know the nature of the exchange between Ms. Robinson and the Sierra Club representative. I was asked by the Sierra Club rep to avoid posting anything further on the topic so even if I did know (and I really don't), I wouldn't say.

[Brent]

Don Hyatt,

The very first post in this thread, from an anonymous poster, now has content that is "deleted by admin".

What content was deleted, and why?

The deleted content came originally from the Robinson Campaign's website and related to the Sierra Club's decision not to endorse anyone in the District 'A' race. Ms. Robinson has been in contact with a representative from the local chapter of the Sierra Club and after communicating with the representative made the decision to remove the comments from her website. I was requested by the Sierra Club representative to do the same for CP.

Why did Ms. Robinson remove this material from her website?

I do not know the nature of the exchange between Ms. Robinson and the Sierra Club representative. I was asked by the Sierra Club rep to avoid posting anything further on the topic so even if I did know (and I really don't), I wouldn't say.

Pehaps Chicken Little will tell us.

[dhyatt]

Don Hyatt,

The very first post in this thread, from an anonymous poster, now has content that is "deleted by admin".

What content was deleted, and why?

The deleted content came originally from the Robinson Campaign's website and related to the Sierra Club's decision not to endorse anyone in the District 'A' race. Ms. Robinson has been in contact with a representative from the local chapter of the Sierra Club and after communicating with the representative made the decision to remove the comments from her website. I was requested by the Sierra Club representative to do the same for CP.

Why did Ms. Robinson remove this material from her website?

I do not know the nature of the exchange between Ms. Robinson and the Sierra Club representative. I was asked by the Sierra Club rep to avoid posting anything further on the topic so even if I did know (and I really don't), I wouldn't say.

Perhaps Chicken Little will tell us.

Doubtful. I get the impression this was an uncomfortable episode for all parties involved.

[d4vendel]

David F stated: Nice try

Same could be said of your support of a Liberal Republican.

Here is a glimpse at what you are supporting Dave:
<snip>
blah blah blah
<snip>
Mike

Yawn. Oh look. Lori's campaign manager is back.

[rebmulp]

Dave said:



If we are counting real votes on the development of the property, let's not forget Lori's actions on P&Z.

Dave:

As you know, P & Z is a recommendation board and Council is a decision board

Both Boards are supposed to view development based on the legality of the development pertaining to compliance with all Town regulations.

It is up to Council to weigh the "feelings" of the development and that is of course … politics.

If Lori viewed based on ordinance compliance and legal issues; that shows she was doing her job as a P & Z member.

If Jennifer was playing politics and voting based on the emails she did/did not receive, contributions she did/did not receive, or pressure from other elected officials/developers/citizens, she was being a politician.

P & Z unfortunately has been so far removed from its concept. It is not a governing body and should not be politicized like you are trying to do. It is a review committee of ordinances and not about protests and feelings.

Does it {development], or does it not comply with all regulations? Yes or No! Nothing to do with politics.

Stop trying to politicize that citizen body.

Here is the real deal!!!

Jennifer misunderstood the folks that now are DHH who opposed her urban development views. She calls it “low density development”, but what she is not saying is it is about cramming things on major intersections or certain portions of a particular piece of property so they can say that the overall acreage is “low density”.

This is part of the “Smart Growth” movement. This is really high density growth trying to be masked as low density. She has bought into this hook-line-and-sinker.

Her support for high density growth is odd because she is from Northern Va. I lived there in 1987/88 and cannot even locate where I lived today.

That was her stomping grounds coming up and it makes Cary look rural. You would think that she would understand what the folks with DHH are saying.

Jennifer snubbed DHH and now she is paying the price.

She wants to pave her way to our water shed and then state she wants “low density”

Her vision of low density is what Northern Va. is today . … her home as a child is now …. asphalt, strip malls, traffic, etc.. So now she wants to repeat all that here in Cary.

This is not what most of us think of as low density. She can vote/advocate to change these laws she fought to create, but instead she supports all the current (high) density plans and then calls them low density.

She helped create all these current high density regulations that are masked as low density.

You and her campaign can try to blame others for her decline at the Polls, but the fingers need to be pointed squarely at her poor representation on the citizens of Cary.

Wake up Dave!!!

Mike

[daveu]

David F stated: Nice try

Same could be said of your support of a Liberal Republican.

Here is a glimpse at what you are supporting Dave:
<snip>
blah blah blah
<snip>
Mike

Yawn. Oh look. Lori's campaign manager is back.

Now....That is funny... Thank you Dave

[JoeCiulla]

You instead just blindly support her because she happens to be a registered republican.



It seems like a lot of the people who supported Ernie McAlister have come out to support Jennifer Robinson. Whether it is Jennifer and Ernie's common party affiliation, there sure does seem to be some correlation.

[d4vendel]

Wake up Dave!!!

Mike

And what? Vote for Lori? Is that really what you're suggesting?

[d4vendel]

You instead just blindly support her because she happens to be a registered republican.



It seems like a lot of the people who supported Ernie McAlister have come out to support Jennifer Robinson. Whether it is Jennifer and Ernie's common party affiliation, there sure does seem to be some correlation.

My support for Jennifer has far more to do with her 10 years of excellent service to the Town of Cary and less to do with her party affiliation than you think. Just ask Mike. To hear him tell it, my name is mud in the party. :grin:

[rebmulp]

David F stated: Nice try

Same could be said of your support of a Liberal Republican.

Here is a glimpse at what you are supporting Dave:
<snip>
blah blah blah
<snip>
Mike

Yawn. Oh look. Lori's campaign manager is back.

Now....That is funny... Thank you Dave


The funny part is that Dave wants to retain a RINO as his Republican representative and I am trying to rid the RINO so we can one day obtain true Republican representation.

So what does Dave do?

Try to smear those trying to rid RINOs from the GOP.

Nice try.

Not going to work, but nice try.

Dave if you think you can smear me, you are incorrect.

Mike

[MattD]

You instead just blindly support her because she happens to be a registered republican.



It seems like a lot of the people who supported Ernie McAlister have come out to support Jennifer Robinson. Whether it is Jennifer and Ernie's common party affiliation, there sure does seem to be some correlation.

I have not had the chance to see the numbers, but it will be very interesting to see what precincts had higher voter turnout due to the school board race. If there is a dramatic increase in those school board precincts (I expect there is), then it will be interesting to see how many those people return to the polls.

[d4vendel]

David F stated: Nice try

Same could be said of your support of a Liberal Republican.

Here is a glimpse at what you are supporting Dave:
<snip>
blah blah blah
<snip>
Mike

Yawn. Oh look. Lori's campaign manager is back.

Now....That is funny... Thank you Dave


The funny part is that Dave wants to retain a RINO as his Republican representative and I am trying to rid the RINO so we can one day obtain true Republican representation.

So what does Dave do?

Try to smear those trying to rid RINOs from the GOP.

Nice try.

Not going to work, but nice try.

Dave if you think you can smear me, you are incorrect.

Mike

Even if I were to accept your premise that Jennifer is a RINO - and I don't - your solution of putting a true liberal in place and giving the council a 5 -2 margin on every vote is just silly.

It is obvious that you would be willing to destroy the Town to prove a point. I would expect nothing less from an elected Representative who walked off the job. No one has to smear you. You destroyed your reputation all on your own.

[rebmulp]

My support for Jennifer has far more to do with her 10 years of excellent service to the Town of Cary and less to do with her party affiliation than you think. Just ask Mike. To hear him tell it, my name is mud in the party. :grin:

Perfect comment Dave. I am glad you are grinning.

You are trying .. and succeeding in dragging the NCGOP to a Massachusetts GOP status.

I and so many others are trying to get the NCGOP back to a Party that represents fiscal conservative values and representation of citizens in their government. You keep thinking I am speaking only for me, but you are incorrect and these replies are being sent to others.

You cannot even come close to tell me that Jennifer represents the GOP platform. She is so far removed from the principles of less government, fiscally responsibility, property rights, or any of their top issues.

You are blinded by this election and not even thinking about the poor consequences of when Jennifer raises your taxes. Yes …. a Republican that wasted your tax dollars and raised taxes.

Then, when the next election comes around the Democrats can claim a Republican raised their taxes. They will be correct, and you will have to defend her again or maybe you can paste the blame on others when she was wasting your money but voted against the increase. How RINO is that?

If you were politically savvy, you would understand that you must take your GOP hits now and get prepared for the next election. If you were really doing your part at Western Wake GOP, you would have had a true Republican running against her. But instead you became a puppet of the incumbents.

Instead you choose to hang onto a foolish RINO and claim you support her 10 years of arrogance, wasteful spending, and disregard of her constituents.

WOW ... you are really an asset to the future of the GOP.

Mike

[rebmulp]

My support for Jennifer has far more to do with her 10 years of excellent service to the Town of Cary and less to do with her party affiliation than you think.

So Dave ... this means if NoJen was a Democrat ... you would still be supporting her?

What do you have to say about this knowing your reply will be read by those in your GOP circles.

Mike

[rebmulp]

You destroyed your reputation all on your own.

Your political circles are small Dave.

Time tells all.

Mike

[chaboard]

Even if I were to accept your premise that Jennifer is a RINO - and I don't - your solution of putting a true liberal in place and giving the council a 5 -2 margin on every vote is just silly.


So much for the fiction of non-partisan Council!



It is obvious that you would be willing to destroy the Town to prove a point. I would expect nothing less from an elected Representative who walked off the job. No one has to smear you. You destroyed your reputation all on your own.

Anybody want some more popcorn?

[rebmulp]

who walked off the job.

Dave you again show your lack of political knowledge.

You do not even know 1/10th of what happened, so how can you make that comment.

Unless you spoke to two/both specific elected officials that were part of what occurred that day ... you actually do not know any of the story.

Let me guess ... you are relying on what you heard in the news and gossip.

If you never heard my side of the entire issue, like only a very few close friends have, you should not even make the statement.

If you really think I "walked off the job" you do not know the ultimatum that was placed on a certain elected official's lap.

So put up or shut up.

Mike

[rebmulp]

Anybody want some more popcorn?

Yes .. I'll take mine with some butter, but no salt please.

I forgot how much I enjoyed CP

Mike

[rebmulp]

I have not had the chance to see the numbers, but it will be very interesting to see what precincts had higher voter turnout due to the school board race. If there is a dramatic increase in those school board precincts (I expect there is), then it will be interesting to see how many those people return to the polls.

From what I gather.... many who voted for a change in the School Board did not vote Party lines. I know many unaffiliated and democrat voters whom voted for republican school board candidates.

It will be interesting to see how many who voted in the last election that will not show up this next round.

It will also be interesting to see how many join in on ousting a RINO. (NoJen4Cary)

Remember ... her solution to not busing children is to move low income people into/throughout neighborhoods of Cary.

She was not an advocate in changing WCPSS policies, but rather just to move families to make the demographics of neighborhoods match the criteria of WCPSS policies.

How absurd is that?

This is who District A wants as their representative?

Has anyone shared this ridiculous stance with those wanting WCPSS changes?

Mike

[dhyatt]

I have not had the chance to see the numbers, but it will be very interesting to see what precincts had higher voter turnout due to the school board race. If there is a dramatic increase in those school board precincts (I expect there is), then it will be interesting to see how many those people return to the polls.

From what I gather.... many who voted for a change in the School Board did not vote Party lines. I know many unaffiliated and democrat voters whom voted for republican school board candidates.

It will be interesting to see how many who voted in the last election that will not show up this next round.

It will also be interesting to see how many join in on ousting a RINO. (NoJen4Cary)

Remember ... her solution to not busing children is to move low income people into/throughout neighborhoods of Cary.

She was not an advocate in changing WCPSS policies, but rather just to move families to make the demographics of neighborhoods match the criteria of WCPSS policies.

How absurd is that?

This is who District A wants as their representative?

Has anyone shared this ridiculous stance with those wanting WCPSS changes?

Mike

Huh???? That's about the biggest load I've seen lately. So now you're willing to support an uber liberal because Councilor Robinson believes in providing housing options for people of all income levels??? I guess you'll be happier when the libs just give away the housing instead....

Unbelievable.

[MattD]

... So now you're willing to support an uber liberal...

Lori starts out as a Dem, then is called a liberal and now an uber liberal. Please tell us why you think Lori Bush is an uber liberal.

[chaboard]

... So now you're willing to support an uber liberal...

Lori starts out as a Dem, then is called a liberal and now an uber liberal. Please tell us why you think Lori Bush is an uber liberal.

Because she's running against Robinson is my guess.....

[daveu]

David F stated: Nice try

Same could be said of your support of a Liberal Republican.

Here is a glimpse at what you are supporting Dave:
<snip>
blah blah blah
<snip>
Mike

Yawn. Oh look. Lori's campaign manager is back.

Now....That is funny... Thank you Dave


The funny part is that Dave wants to retain a RINO as his Republican representative and I am trying to rid the RINO so we can one day obtain true Republican representation.

So what does Dave do?

Try to smear those trying to rid RINOs from the GOP.

Nice try.

Not going to work, but nice try.

Dave if you think you can smear me, you are incorrect.

Mike

Just to make sure I have this right... Mr. Super Republican Mike is running around trashing the Republican candiate who is endorsed by the Wake County Republican Party. I think you are the one out of sync with the Republicans...

Pretty clear to me....

[chaboard]

Just to make sure I have this right... Mr. Super Republican Mike is running around trashing the Republican candiate who is endorsed by the Wake County Republican Party. I think you are the one out of sync with the Republicans...

Pretty clear to me....


I saw this line in an online discussion of Snowe/Collins yesterday. It seems apropos here:



It's fun to see the rightwingnuts advising that the Republicant party should get smaller. For their lips to God's ears.


It's particularly funny in that the GOP got to the place they are now - the lowest level of popularity either major party has "achieved" in more than 50 years - by unfailingly letting the conservative wing of their party make every major decision and scaring the holy hell out of the huge centrist majority and yet.....the proposed solution is to.....give MORE power and influence to the people who got you into this mess!

As a Democrat this whole RINO-purge movement is like a dream come true. We have the *Republicans* fighting to *reduce* their Senate cohort from 40 to 38 or lower!!

You simply can't make this stuff up....

[rebmulp]

I have not had the chance to see the numbers, but it will be very interesting to see what precincts had higher voter turnout due to the school board race. If there is a dramatic increase in those school board precincts (I expect there is), then it will be interesting to see how many those people return to the polls.

From what I gather.... many who voted for a change in the School Board did not vote Party lines. I know many unaffiliated and democrat voters whom voted for republican school board candidates.

It will be interesting to see how many who voted in the last election that will not show up this next round.

It will also be interesting to see how many join in on ousting a RINO. (NoJen4Cary)

Remember ... her solution to not busing children is to move low income people into/throughout neighborhoods of Cary.

She was not an advocate in changing WCPSS policies, but rather just to move families to make the demographics of neighborhoods match the criteria of WCPSS policies.

How absurd is that?

This is who District A wants as their representative?

Has anyone shared this ridiculous stance with those wanting WCPSS changes?

Mike

Huh???? That's about the biggest load I've seen lately. So now you're willing to support an uber liberal because Councilor Robinson believes in providing housing options for people of all income levels??? I guess you'll be happier when the libs just give away the housing instead....

Unbelievable.

Hi Don:

What is unbelievable is her campaign trying to spin her wanting to move low income folks as her solution to WCPSS assignment into her wanting to offer housing options for all income levels.

She stated: "dispersing lower income families throughout the Town will allow for less movement of children overall because they will be closer to the schools."

She must not think there are schools dispersed throughout the Town already, so let’s mask her motive with the compassion for low income citizens. Sorry, this does does pass the stink test.

I take offense to her stance of using low income citizens as pawns for her school reassignment solution. Being raise on welfare and in public housing, I could not imagine her yanking my family out of the projects and move me to her country club just so her kids can go to their closest school. This shows she is out of touch and the recent school board elections prove she is out of touch. The solution to reassignment is to change policies and not use low income families as pawns.

What you are not stating Don when you mention options for all income levels is that she does not want low income citizens downtown.

She stated: "when you continue to put affordable housing stock into a downtown you are making it harder for that downtown to become a vibrant, dynamic place, a place where people with the incomes to afford luxury townhouse or condos would want to locate."

That is a statement from an elected official wanting to represent citizens of Cary four more years. How in the heck can you support her having that attitude? As a Republican I want her to stop making the GOP look bad, and the only way for us to do so is to oust her from office.

At least you left the GOP due to you being classified as a RINO. I respect that and Jennifer should do the same. We can then move forward as a Party to rebuild from the black eye she helped create and the damage she will continue to cause.

I am not supporting anyone in this race. I am exposing NoJen for her hiding behind her voter registration and fooling those who think she is a republican. She hurts the GOP image and must be sent packing. Once we rid her from office we will recruit a candidate that we can be proud of to represent citizens based on what we believe.

I do not expect you to believe in GOP values now, as you did not when you were a registered republican.

Did you support Ed Yerha over Jennifer in the last District A election cycle?

Mike

[JoeCiulla]

She was not an advocate in changing WCPSS policies, but rather just to move families to make the demographics of neighborhoods match the criteria of WCPSS policies.


I'm not sure one way or the other what her position is on schools. She was a cosponsor on a school forum. I do know that she was silent when Harold Weinbrecht, Don Frantz and Gale Adcock were all attending CEM meetings to speak out against the busing-go-round policy.

[dhyatt]

[snip]

What you are not stating Don when you mention options for all income levels is that she does not want low income citizens downtown.

She stated: "when you continue to put affordable housing stock into a downtown you are making it harder for that downtown to become a vibrant, dynamic place, a place where people with the incomes to afford luxury townhouse or condos would want to locate."

[snip]

At least you left the GOP due to you being classified as a RINO. I respect that and Jennifer should do the same. We can then move forward as a Party to rebuild from the black eye she helped create and the damage she will continue to cause.

[snip]

I do not expect you to believe in GOP values now, as you did not when you were a registered republican.

Did you support Ed Yerha over Jennifer in the last District A election cycle?

Mike

Mike,
Most 'affordable' housing projects have been built in downtown Cary with Jennifer's support. Her statement that such housing should be more dispersed throughout town and not concentrated in downtown is dead on right in my book. If you view her support for giving low income folks housing options throughout the town, her support of the environment, parks, rec, greenways, quality development, and the arts as 'not Republican enough' for you then so be it.

Saying she doesn't want low income housing downtown is an outright lie. The record on her votes on habitat housing proves it and you know it. What does that kind of lie say about your 'Republican' values?

I had the pleasure of serving of serving with Ed Yerha on P&Z and he was and is unaffiliated. He would make a fine councilman. I supported him and I didn't bash Jennifer to do it either.

If you want to bash Republicans in your own image, take it out on Nelson for supporting Horace Tart.

...and you still haven't explained why any Republican should vote for Lori Bush over Jennifer Robinson.

[rebmulp]

[/QUOTE]

Just to make sure I have this right... Mr. Super Republican Mike is running around trashing the Republican candiate who is endorsed by the Wake County Republican Party. I think you are the one out of sync with the Republicans...

Pretty clear to me....[/QUOTE]

Hi Dave:

And how did she receive their endorsement? By being the only republican on the ticket!

She has never received their endorsement in the past and I have campaigned against her in all her races. She must go, any all you so called republicans are jumping on her campaign when you either agree with her trashing of the GOP values or you all are just sucking up to an incumbent.

I can assure you that if you sent only a handful of her ridiculous statements and stances to any of the Wake GOP Board members they would be floored that she is damaging the GOP as much as she has and will continue to do.

With RINOs like NoJen Cary's GOP status will continue to be a laughing stock of Wake County.

Until you and others wake up to the fact that she is not a representative of the GOP will we ever be able to be proud of the GOP again. But then again, you apparently like her views. That is sad.

Thanks for the Super GOP compliment and I am very much in touch with the GOP platform and certainly aligned with those who want to rebuild from the failed “big tent” experiment.

You are obviously supporting someone who wants to continue to snub her nose at what the GOP stands for and are trying to keep in power someone who is not a republican other than how she is registered to vote.

Mike

[dhyatt]

... So now you're willing to support an uber liberal...

Lori starts out as a Dem, then is called a liberal and now an uber liberal. Please tell us why you think Lori Bush is an uber liberal.

The further left Mike paints Jennifer, the further left Lori has to go. It's Hyatt's first law of Political Relativity. The Joyce corollary says 'if you ever attending a meeting where Glen Lang was present, you are by definition no longer a Republican'.

In fairness, Lori's more of a policy wonk than an uber liberal.

[d4vendel]

And how did she receive their endorsement? By being the only republican on the ticket!


Right...because "NO ENDORSEMENT IN DISTRICT A CARY" was not an option??!! :bs:

[d4vendel]

who walked off the job.

Dave you again show your lack of political knowledge.

You do not even know 1/10th of what happened, so how can you make that comment.

Unless you spoke to two/both specific elected officials that were part of what occurred that day ... you actually do not know any of the story.

Let me guess ... you are relying on what you heard in the news and gossip.

If you never heard my side of the entire issue, like only a very few close friends have, you should not even make the statement.

If you really think I "walked off the job" you do not know the ultimatum that was placed on a certain elected official's lap.

So put up or shut up.

Mike

Well, Mike. Here is your perfect opportunity to set the record straight. To say I don't know the whole story and then hide behind that convenient excuse without telling the whole story says nothing. Put up or shut up.

[d4vendel]

In fairness, Lori's more of a policy wonk than an uber liberal.

I would agree with that.

[Don]

Why does the response not address the matter of the Davis & High House vote? That seems to be a major missing element.

Jennifer has addressed it. http://robinsonforcary.org/section/issues/straight_talk.html

Davis and High House

The project I answer the most questions about is The Bradford project at the corner of Davis Drive and High House Road. After months of deliberations and four public hearings, four of us on Council supported the plan because the project was changed to satisfy the requests of the majority of citizens that opposed it, and because it complied with the land use plan and zoning which had been approved many years earlier. In addition, to deny the plan based on a criteria that the project legally satisfied would place the town at a significant legal risk, placing our tax dollars in jeopardy.

If you have questions about this project and my vote on it, I encourage you to contact me directly. I am happy to discuss this hot-button topic with voters. None of us like to see trees removed from our town. Given the parameters under which we were working, I am glad that I could help achieve a reduction in the scope of this project for the benefit of our community.

Some citizens remained opposed to the plan despite our best efforts. This is mainly because of concerns that developers gerrymandered the project to invalidate protest petitions. However, there was no compelling evidence that landowners withdrew from the project with malice. In fact, in accommodating the concerned citizens’ original requests, the footprint of the project became smaller, requiring less land for the development. It would have been improper for the town to deny the project due to a decrease in the parcel size.

The town was sued by citizens who were dissatisfied with the calculation of the protest petition. It is important to note that our attorneys gave the newly elected Council an opportunity in 2008 to change course and settle with the plaintiffs rather than defend our protest petition calculation. No one from the Council – including the new Council members who were elected with the help of Davisandhighouse.org's activism – dissented from the decision to defend the Town’s position. The Council’s action was an acknowledgement that the calculation of the protest petition was appropriate. In the end, the judge agreed. The judge ruled that the applicant had the right to decrease his parcel size and the Town correctly calculated the protest petition.

As a result of diligent work with citizens to reduce the scope of the project, the final project included the following:

the project was required to contain the same amount of non-residential square footage as Stone Creek, a reduction of 150,000 square feet from the developer's original plan

130 fewer residential units than the developer's original plan

a loop road to divert traffic from the Davis/High House intersection, resulting in traffic projections that suggest that the intersection will experience less traffic than before the development was installed

Stormwater detention to a 50 year flood event, rather than the required one year stormwater detention level

Reduction in size of original plan for single tenant use by 10,000 square feet

Four parking decks wrapped by residential units, saving 10 acres of surface parking lots

Reduction in building height to four stories

Removal of a stub road into Georgetown at Preston

At least 42% of the residential units conditioned to be one bedroom to ensure fewer potential students

a 10’ asphalt greenway

100’ undisturbed buffer to the adjacent neighborhood

a 10’ wide multi-use path along the loop road

over 14 acres of open space and buffers