Australian voters refuse to surrender to the Islamofascists!

[johnb]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3729184.stm

[Wuptdo]

Good Post John. What most "Yanks" don't know is that we have a lot more in common with Austrailia than Britian.

John, have you been watching the BBC recently on PBS? I thought our press was a bunch of leftist - but nothing like the BBC. They really hate George W.! Oh well, sometimes you have to be unpopular to do the "right" thing.

Wuptdo B-)

It would really "make my day" if Bush got the same results as the Aussie did!

[Mark]

Interesting. If Kerry wins, will John's first post be "Over half of U.S. voters want to surrender to Islamofacists!" If not, why not, and how is the U.S. different from Australia in that regard?

[johnb]

Yes it would be Mark. In fact, I'd post it immediately after submitting my paperwork to be released from the US Navy Reserves. I refuse to ever salute a self-confessed War Crimminal as Commander in Chief. It would make me no better than a German soldier in the Wehrmacht, circa 1945.

Besides, *IF* the American people are foolish enough to put Kerry in the White House, they no longer deserve the sacrifices active duty, reserve, and National Guard troops make for their safety. If you folks put him in the NYPD will fight the next battle of Baghdad on the streets of Manhattan and let's just see then how many leftists, like you Mark, flock to the recruiting stations to sign up to protect the Constitution and people of America. My guess is none.

[hollyL]

Interesting. If Kerry wins, will John's first post be "Over half of U.S. voters want to surrender to Islamofacists!" If not, why not, and how is the U.S. different from Australia in that regard?

I believe the correct term would be "liberal leftist america-hating tax-loving rich-hating military-loathing terrorist/Islamic-loving marriage-ruining feminazi communist *******s" Could have forgot a few though... :-D

[johnb]

Holly,

Close. Remember just about the first thing Kerry did after being sworn in as a Senator was to run down to Nicaragua and do for the Communist dictator of that nation what Monica Lewinsky did for Bill Clinton. He seemed quite happy that the Nicaraguan people, like the Vietnamese people, were relegated to living in a Communist prison state where their lives were at the whim and mercy of the Sandanista regime. Because of US support for the contras Nicaragua is now a free nation and the people of that country have twice defeated Daniel Ortega and his Sandinista stooges at the ballot box. Kerry was unwilling to even ask Ortega to hold free elections. That is troublesome. He has never meet a leftwing dictator he wasn't comfortable with, regardless of their human rights abuses and the body count. That bothers me.

I don't know if it is because he himself is a such a leftwing extremist that he doesn't mind his fellow leftists "breaking a few eggs to make an omlette"/murdering their opponents or if it is because the victims of Communist tyranny in Vietnam, Nicaragua, et al, were Asian or Latino and he didn't give a **** how many brown skinned bodies those dictators piled up. Might be a good question to pose to Senator Kerry: Leftwing extremist? Racist? or both?

[hollyL]

I don't know to much about that...but since he was choosing between the evil contra dictators and the marxist Sandinista I don't think either side is squeeky clean on that one.

[johnb]

You've been indocrtinated by very bad people Holly.

The contras fought for and won one thing, free and fair elections. They won that. The country has had a democratic system now since the end of the war. The contras were a grassroots, community based reaction to Sandinista totalitarianism. They fought for democracy, if that makes them bad I would hate like hell to see what motives YOU find worth fighting for.

The fact that there were two sides in that war does not mean both sides were "bad". One side fought for one party rule (theirs) and the right of the government to decide who lives and who dies. The other side fought for a multiparty democracy with the rule of law. That side won and as a result Nicaraguans were able to elect the first female head of state in Central America, Violetta Chamoro. The nation has not suffered future wars as the new government doesn't imprison or slaughter people that criticise the leadership. They have changes in power via the ballot box now, which resulted in the Sandinista's loosing everything.

That makes the contras the good guys. You really need to stop hanging out in those leftwing fever swamps holly, it destroys brain cells.

Get over it, Reagan was right, Kerry was wrong. Reagan stood up for freedom, Kerry stood up for a leftwing military dictatorship that murdered it's opponents.

[hollyL]

You've been indocrtinated by very bad people Holly.

Besides my neighbor you are the most brainwashed right winger I've ever seen. I've never seen you post anything besides right down the party line or repeating Limbaugh, Liddy, O'Reilly, and/or Foxnews. That is why I'm not even going to try to justify your 'contras are good guys' argument.

[johnb]

Wanting free and fair elections are now a sign of a "brainwashed right winger"?

That's not much of a pejorative Holly, a little more truth than the hard left would usually admit though.

Just remember, I realize that my advocacy of personal liberty and the rule of law offends leftists, but maybe you folks should ponder what it is that offends you about free people voting leftists out of power. What is it you value? Power or freedom?

[Mark]

Wanting free and fair elections are now a sign of a "brainwashed right winger"?

No, equating "wanting fair elections" with "fighting a proxy war on the behalf of the west to defeat a liberal government so that a pro-business/pro U.S. regime could be installed and the challenge to U.S. hegemony is dimished" is the sign of a brainwashed right winger.

[johnb]

Wow. You've come close to your prior Most Outrageous Statement Ever Recorded on CaryPolitics Mark. I thought it'd take some time for you to work your way back down to the standards of welcoming the support of Hezbollah for the Kerry campaign. It didn't take long at all for you. Kudos I guess.

So a "liberal" government is one that imprisons and executes it's opponents?

So a "liberal" government is one that harasses and shuts down newspapers critical of the governing party?

So a "liberal" government is one that refuses to hold free and fair multiparty elections where there is a chance the ruling party may loose power?

So a "liberal" government is one that rejects the premise of the rule of law?

So a "liberal" governmnet is one that idolizes Castro's Cuba as the ideal form of governance in the modern world?

It should appear obvious to rational and sober people that if those are the hallmarks of a "liberal" government, "liberal" govenrment, as you deify it, is a monstrosity.

Since the time the Sandinistas were forced to the negotiating table and were compelled to accept free elecitons in Nicaragua they have lost every election for control of that land. The people of Nicaragua have demonstrated that they do not trust nor want the Sandinistas generally and Daniel Ortega specifically in control of their land again.

Free elections mean the communists loose Mark, I know that offends leftists but that is the will of the people. Sorry about your luck, but it's good for the life expectancy of the Nicaraguans.

I particularly found the comments of Humberto Ortega interesting, regarding the "elections" of 1985, this Sandinista stooge let the cat out of the bag by stating that the election would be ONLY to further the 'revolution' not to auction off power. The people of Nicaragua spoke during the war and at the ballot box. Your side lost on each battlefield.

[Wuptdo]

This was an interesting read I found over at LGF:

http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/143BE77747EA447ECA256F0E00250B03

My favorite quote:


"I have no doubt the purpose of America is to destroy Islam in this world."

If I recall about 20 million Aussie's v. 980 million Indonesians.

Wuptdo B-)

[washere]

Get over it, Reagan was right, Kerry was wrong. Reagan stood up for freedom, Kerry stood up for a leftwing military dictatorship that murdered it's opponents.

Except you left out that whole "Iran-Contra" thing...

Even I think Reagan should have been impeached over that mess, I don't think I was even alive yet!

[johnb]

Why? For violating the "Boland Amendment"? A 'law' the leftists pushed through Congress that had no enforcement mechanism?

********. I was alive then. In fact I was stationed at Fort Huachuca in Arizona and my unit was rotating people through Hondo for assignments at remote communications facilities. Officially in support of the Hondo military but in reality in support of the Contras. The overthrow of a Communist dictatorship bent on murdering it's own people and turning it's land into a forward operating base for the Soviet military was very necessary. Regardless of the hard left's "hate America first" rhetoric to the contrary and John Kerry's Lewinsky services for Daniel Ortega the people of Nicaragua have been liberated and celebrate that victory each year by NOT voting the Sandinistas into power. That is the real proof as to whether or not the operation was a success. Several million people in Nicaragua were liberated from a bloodthirsty tyrannt and ever since have had free and fair elections that the tyrannt keeps loosing at.

[washere]

John-

As I recall, the Boland Amendment was passed in response to the Reagan administration diverting funds to the CIA/Contras without the necessary Congressional commitee approval.

In fact, I believe it was the REPUBLICAN senate that pushed the Boland Amendment through (although you can be sure I'll check :wink: ).

The Reagan Administration interpreted the BA as only applying to intelligence agencies :roll: , so a group of high-up military guys (ehm, Oli North) diverted millions of dollars received from a sale of US arms to IRANIAN terrorists-- an action that came with Reagan's explicit approval, to the Contras.

The "Donkeycrats" didn't take back Congress until 1986, after Syria (or was it Lebanon...) revealed the secret deal to the world.

So there. It was all Republicans. Can't blame this one on the Donkeys, sweetie.

[johnb]

Char,

What's your fascination with the Sandinistas?

john

[washere]

Char,

What's your fascination with the Sandinistas?

john
I don't have a fascination with the Sandinistas, but my US Foreign Policy prof at State sure did :roll: .

Wait, are you conceeding that I was right, and you were wrong?!?!?! :-D

[johnb]

Not at all.....later

[washere]

:cry: