No holds barred here

[dhyatt]

This forum is only usable by registered users and should be used for frank discussions about candidates and platforms in the upcoming elections. Personal attacks are part of the political process and they are welcome in this particular forum - but - only if you're willing to put your name behind it. Beat up on anyone / any issue you wish, just don't try to do it anonymously and don't complain to admin if you wind up a target. That goes for you too Hyatt!!!

[Wuptdo]

Question: Where would we look to see who has registered to run for public office in Cary and Wake County. Is not the dealine soon for application and filing fees?

Thanks,

Wuptdo B-)

[johnb]

Why would all hell break loose?

[dhyatt]

Why would all hell break loose?

John, a question like that coming from you is the funniest thing I've heard this morning ;-)

[johnb]

Getting your day off to a rousing start is what I'm all about Don.

Proud to serve. Oorrrahh!

[dhyatt]

Question: Where would we look to see who has registered to run for public office in Cary and Wake County. Is not the dealine soon for application and filing fees?

Thanks,

Wuptdo B-)

Wup, candidates don't file until July and you generally have to visit the BOE office downtown to view actual applications. This is also where you'll find the paperwork for any PACs that have been created. I will probably take a trip down there in the next 2-3 weeks to check on any recent activity.

[MattD]

[/quote]

Wup, candidates don't file until July and you generally have to visit the BOE office downtown to view actual applications.[/quote]

I would think any serious candidate would notify the Cary News and N&O to announce their run for public office.

[dhyatt]

I would think any serious candidate would notify the Cary News and N&O to announce their run for public office.

Unless, of course, the candidate's strategy is to keep potential opponents in the dark as long as possible...

[MattD]

.[/quote] Unless, of course, the candidate's strategy is to keep potential opponents in the dark as long as possible...[/quote]

Don - Good point. A "sleeper" to come in at the last moment... they would have fresh legs, other candidates would have already been beating each other up. So a new face at that point could work (as long as they have some $$ and willing to spend it)

[Wuptdo]

Some interesting points.

How about a "dark horse" candidate or a "shiney knight" candidate? What every happened to the John Wanye's of the world, the real stand-up people that were not afraid to take a stand. When did our country move from being like the "Duke" to Woody Allen?

Sorry, morning rant, coffee is not done brewing yet. :wink:

I will be out on the end of Black Creek Greenway (old Reedy Creek Road) this morning. Come on by and sign the petition to save the natural beauty of Black Creek Greenway from development.

See here for details:

http://www.townofcary.org/depts/prdept/greenway/blackcreekgreenway.htm

Wuptdo B-)

[Laurie]

This forum is only usable by registered users and should be used for frank discussions about candidates and platforms in the upcoming elections. Personal attacks are part of the political process and they are welcome in this particular forum - but - only if you're willing to put your name behind it. Beat up on anyone / any issue you wish, just don't try to do it anonymously and don't complain to admin if you wind up a target. That goes for you too Hyatt!!!

This is why it's for registered users only.

[Rono]

I now remember reading this rules post. I don't agree, but this is not my board. But I will say (Just My Humble Opinion...not intended to make anyone mad :D ) that this makes this area about as fair and balanced as fox news.

Rono

[washere]

I said this on another thread, but I'll repeat it here:

There's nothing "fair and balanced" about your pals in the UA dropping in anonymously on a trolling expedition to smear the TOC and its candidates.

In the spirit of openess, why can't they be open about their identities, or create some random CP handle? It's not like the burden of info to register is particularly....burdensome.

[Rono]

I too said this on another thread, but I'll repeat it here:

sorry Char, but I can not control, (nor do I want to) what they say or do. Is censorship what you endorse in light of this? I know you had a bad experience and I fully understand your position, but I opt for openness, although I like you, wish they would identify themselfs. But in lew of everyone doing so, I still opt first for the openness. And why are anonymous postings exclusively a problem from the UA areas?

Rono

[washere]

I too said this on another thread, but I'll repeat it here:

sorry Char, but I can not control, (nor do I want to) what they say or do. Is censorship what you endorse in light of this? I know you had a bad experience and I fully understand your position, but I opt for openness, although I like you, wish they would identify themselfs. But in lew of everyone doing so, I still opt first for the openness. And why are anonymous postings exclusively a problem from the UA areas?

Rono
I'm just going to post here so we don't have a conversation going on in a bunch of different places. :wink:

My comments about requiring people to register to post in the registered users forum apply to everyone, not just the UA. You noted people in the UA wanting to post anonymously so I noted them in my reply. I didn't mean to point a finger at you or the UA, and I apologize for not making that clear.

Honestly, my "bad experience" with anonymous posters doing drive-by smear jobs didn't even cross my mind in this instance. I just can't see how you can promote openess, and at the same time lobby for people to post anonymously in the registered users area.

Remember, they can post whatever they want anonymously in the main forums ;). In fact, I think a suitable solution would be to have a thread in the main forum where candidate positions on annexation are discussed.

This is a private board, so "censorship" doesn't apply here. Hyatt can decide who can post, what they can post, and where they can post it. In this situation, I don't think asking that someone sign their name (or create a cute, non-identifying posting name) to their posts is censorship.

This is a "no holds barred" forum for candidate discussion. I can't see how it would be beneficial to allow people to post in it anonymously. As always, we can simply agree to disagree. :lol:

[Rono]

There's nothing "fair and balanced" about your pals in the UA dropping in anonymously on a trolling expedition to smear the TOC and its candidates.

Smear candidates? Lets see, the TOC, without our vote can make decisions on and for our land

OK, Let me be the first to let you in on something

..We (Many in the UA Area) are orgainzing a Council of Citizens that surround Cary. ( I wanted to call it the Circle of Distrust, and as you read the areas below you will see why,) but in an effort to reduce negative tension, and promote a more open dialog, we are looking for a better, more positive name. We also thought of naming ourselves PRO Cary meaning we want to be a Positive Results Organization but most of the people from these areas don't want to (after how they have been treated) "Carry" a PRO Cary label after what they have been through or are going through with Cary.

So we are trying to find a neutral name for our group that will have representatives from the following areas. The Northwest Plan, the Southwest Plan, the New Hill Group, The Dutchman Downs Group, The Southeast Group, The Swift Creek Group, and the Medfield Group (see the circle?) We intend to anounce it soon. We are already getting started as the campaignes begin

And we also want to include those who are concerned with other property rights issues in Cary as well. And blanket order, we want to include those who have great concern about the cost to the current and FUTURE taxpayers of Cary, whoever they may be.

But what our first goal is to inform everyone of ALL CANDIDATES STANDS on issues of property rights, which includes annexation. and the taxation cost of the current direction Cary is headed. We will then distribute this information to all of these areas, each having it's own unique concerns, and allow them to decide who best to support

We will not endorse anyone, but we will promote each of these areas citizens participation in Cary's election process by encouraging them to contribute (money, time, envelope stuffing etc.) to the candidate they think will best serve their interests.

While we in most of these areas can not vote for the candidates that will best serve our interests, we certainly have the freedom to rally everyone to support those who they think will. And i promise you, we intend to have an impact on Carys election.

Now do you further understand my concerns of the ability for people to even just read the posts, which does not exist either?

As a compromise, Hyatt I am sure could make it read only for all and post by members. That is a start.

Rono

[Rono]

..and BTW Char, think about this. I just let you know of plans that have been in the making for quite some time on this board. But those who are not registered that live in Cary, (perhaps even a TOC staff member or two that read but do not post) can not read what I just and am now posting.

....and as was stated in the movie GOOD WILL HUNTING, what do you think of them apples?!

Rono

[washere]

Smear candidates? Lets see, the TOC, without our vote can make decisions on and for our land
I'm a little slow, but I fail to see what baring that has on the discussion of allowing unregistered users to post in a users only forum.

We intend to anounce it soon. We are already getting started as the campaignes begin
Sounds like you just announced it. :wink: BTW, the Circle of Distrust is at least catchy and humorous. You got a few chuckles from me anyway. :lol:

But what our first goal is to inform everyone of ALL CANDIDATES STANDS on issues of property rights, which includes annexation. and the taxation cost of the current direction Cary is headed. We will then distribute this information to all of these areas, each having it's own unique concerns, and allow them to decide who best to support

We will not endorse anyone, but we will promote each of these areas citizens participation in Cary's election process by encouraging them to contribute (money, time, envelope stuffing etc.) to the candidate they think will best serve their interests.
And posting on the users-only candidates forum on CP is vital for your goal of informing the public?

While we in most of these areas can not vote for the candidates that will best serve our interests, we certainly have the freedom to rally everyone to support those who they think will.
You certainly do. But you don't have the right to do anything on Don Hyatt's private message board, including post anonymously in the registered user only forums.

And i promise you, we intend to have an impact on Carys election.
I think that's great (no sarcasm intended)!

..and BTW Char, think about this. I just let you know of plans that have been in the making for quite some time on this board. But those who are not registered that live in Cary, (perhaps even a TOC staff member or two that read but do not post) can not read what I just and am now posting.
If you want them to know, why not post in the general forum, or write a LTE, or mail a letter to everyone in Cary?

....and as was stated in the movie GOOD WILL HUNTING, what do you think of them apples?!
Apples are yummy. I've never seen that movie. My parents wouldn't let me.

[dhyatt]

[snip]

As a compromise, Hyatt I am sure could make it read only for all and post by members. That is a start.

Rono

Done.

[Rono]

Thanks Don!

[bobo]

Good on you dhyatt! The bonus to allowing non registered guest to view all forums could possibly be more registered users. :wink:

[washere]

..We (Many in the UA Area) are orgainzing a Council of Citizens that surround Cary. ( I wanted to call it the Circle of Distrust, and as you read the areas below you will see why,) but in an effort to reduce negative tension, and promote a more open dialog, we are looking for a better, more positive name. We also thought of naming ourselves PRO Cary meaning we want to be a Positive Results Organization but most of the people from these areas don't want to (after how they have been treated) "Carry" a PRO Cary label after what they have been through or are going through with Cary.
Ron-
How about "The Ring of Power" or "TIRED" (you know, a tire from a wheel on a car which is circular if its not flat and you're tired of what's going on). You get super duper bonus points if TIRED is an acronymn ;).

[washere]

Oh! I got it:

TIRED:
Trapped In the Ramifications of Eminent Domain

[Rono]

Thanks for the suggestions Char, I will put it towards the group. We are looking for an eureka moment with something that fits right. The group will be the deciding factor on the name.

Thanks again

Rono

[Cathy]

Oh! I got it:

TIRED:
Trapped In the Ramifications of Eminent Domain

How insightful Charchar!

Cathy :wink:

[StanN]

How about a counter group from the muni's - we could call it STUFF (IT)
for Stop Undertaxing Fhony Freeloaders.

TRED and STUFF (IT) could have a soccer match in SAS Stadium, scheduling shouldn't be a problem. The winner could be crowned King Or Queen of the Eminent Domain.

Or we could put a barricade at the end of Dutchman Downs, demand a toll for using our roads and tell them to STUFF (IT) if tey don't like it.

Our motto would be "man the barricades for justice".

Of course you all know I'm kidding. :wink:

stan

[Rono]

Not bad Stan. You work to form your group, Cary has already helped us form ours. Don't forget that recruting for us is not a problem...all we need to do is send out the latest Planning Staff Report. :D

...and BTW our DD Secretary sent his thoughts of times spent near you my way at this evenings HOA meeting. Seems you two have played some cards together. His name is Mike K. Not quite sure if you two are the best of friends or not. :wink: Could not quite cut through the names he was calling you to figure that out. And all I mentioned was that you thought DD should be annexed. Once again I will sleep well having heard again the true feelings of another satisfied UA resident. Hope your ears have quit burning!

Anyway, it is always fun to hear from others about experiences with people you mutually know.

Rono

[dhyatt]

Thanks for the suggestions Char, I will put it towards the group. We are looking for an eureka moment with something that fits right. The group will be the deciding factor on the name.

Thanks again

Rono

Rono (&Cathy?),
What are the goals of the group? To stop forced annexation period? To influence elections? To ensure some sort of legal representation in the process? To understand short and long term impact of staying unicorporated vs. being annexed? To ensure financial equity for both muni and ua residents? To help slow the spread of new urbanism and high density? To promote distributed water and sewer systems? To provide general education on forced annexation and eminent domain? All of the above? None of the above?

Agreeing on the goals (and sharing them with us) may lead you to a workable name and might even get you a few more suggestions :-)

[Rono]

What are the goals of the group? To stop forced annexation period? To influence elections? To ensure some sort of legal representation in the process? To understand short and long term impact of staying unicorporated vs. being annexed? To ensure financial equity for both muni and ua residents? To help slow the spread of new urbanism and high density? To promote distributed water and sewer systems? To provide general education on forced annexation and eminent domain? All of the above? None of the above?

To stop forced annexation
To provide general education on forced annexation and eminent domain?

somewhat yes, but not the main purpose. Don’t get me wrong, I know of no one that wants to be annexed, but that is not at the forefront of everyone’s mind. It is the overtaking of land and the wreckless almost hostile way in which the people feel it is being done

To influence elections?

Definitely Yes, The People feel NO RESPECT. This mus be restored

To ensure some sort of legal representation in the process?

Legal? Just promoting recognized representation would be good!

To understand short and long-term impact of staying unincorporated vs. being annexed.

Probably not...while many understand the changing world we live in, the long term impact of no say so in what happens in and around their property right now is at the height of concern. Long term impacts, are not really a part of current emotions, yet people do understand the cost of being annexed versus what they pay now

To ensure financial equity for both muni and ua residents?

Good question, I will bring it up to the group for feed back...have not really hit on this one.

To help slow the spread of new urbanism and high density?

Yes, but most do not understand this...except for people like Cathy. Participation is breeding education already, and I am sure Cathy will have plenty of information for people to make informed decisions on this subject as we go along.

To promote distributed water and sewer systems?

No, but the continued use of well and septic is an issue as is reversing ETJ,s back to county authority.

You missed several key points in you questions though

Protest petitions need to be treated the same in the UA as inside the
ETJ or City Limits. It goes slightly with your representative question, but was not specific enough. I am positive the CTC can recognize such petitions and out of fairness treat them the same way as they do when they have to. We are convinced that this is critical to leveling the playing field when it come to having representation that is heard and not ignored

The next thing you missed is Quality of Life impacts on non-town represented areas. Guidelines need to be established that answer the questions of quality of life impacts and how they will be addressed, both in time and financial commitments. Not just someday, where, when and how and before final plan approval

In addition, one of the big comments we are getting is the limited ability of people to speak out publicly on issues that they face. Our goal is to convince the Town to have Roberts Rules open type forums where everyone can go on record with their thoughts fears and ideas and concerns. The key to this is public record...Because then 2 to 3 years down the road, when things start to be said like, we never said that, or we never heard of any concerns of that, well, then such would be a part of public record to review. This Delphi stuff has to go. Informal information sessions are OK as long as publicly record forums where the Town Sits and listens and the people speak is critical to restoring trust.

Delphi meetings DO NOT RECORD THE PUBLIC IMPUT and one of the dirty little secret reasons is it avoids future accountability. Roberts Rules Meetings can help restore some of that accountability

These are some, but not all of the concerns. We are trying to be global with our cause, yet we understand each area has it’s specific concerns. Sorting those out is taking some time, but we are managing. We do understand the goal of being a force to be concerned with. Activism is what will do that, and we need to get as many as we can to help lead this charge. I am quite frankly surprised at how many have express interest. We will see over the next month and ½ how it pan out.

Thanks for you interest Don

Rono

[Brent]

Thanks for the suggestions Char, I will put it towards the group. We are looking for an eureka moment with something that fits right. The group will be the deciding factor on the name.

Thanks again

Rono

The United Society of Unincorporated Citizens in the Know?

It would give you a "battle cry" of sorts. :wink:

but then again...maybe not. :lol:

[Rono]

Naw Brent, needs to paint a broader picture

The Heavy-handed Egotistical Yankee Society that the Unincorporated Citizens don’t want to Know

:wink:

Rono