March 18 Cary News

[Brent]

Darryl continues the "partisan politics" letter-to-the-editor thread that started at Christmas. :roll: :roll: :roll: I actually refrained from writing this week, but now maybe I'll have to respond to that one. :lol:

Another letter thanks, among others, the Heart Of Cary organization, for applying pressure to the school board about the downtown residents' school reassignments (it actually worked! 8O ). Even though the letter writer overlooked mentioning him, I know that Mr. Frantz was involved in that.

Whom did I miss?

[johnb]

Stop the madness....it's gotten infantile...

[Brent]

Stop the madness....it's gotten infantile...

What makes you think that my letter wouldn't say just that? :wink:

[Don]

Darryl continues the "partisan politics" letter-to-the-editor thread that started at Christmas. :roll: :roll: :roll: I actually refrained from writing this week, but now maybe I'll have to respond to that one. :lol:

Another letter thanks, among others, the Heart Of Cary organization, for applying pressure to the school board about the downtown residents' school reassignments (it actually worked! 8O ). Even though the letter writer overlooked mentioning him, I know that Mr. Frantz was involved in that.

Whom did I miss?

It is pathetic. Nobody is going to change anyones mind, why bother? Let it go, shoot it, bury it, I don't care. Give it a rest!

[kellyc]

It is entertaining and is the first section I turn to when I get my Cary News. The problem is that now EVERYONE involved is going to lose out. Harold, Darryl, and anyone else that enters into this fray will come out on the short end of the stick. I think this will leave a bad taste in the mouths of the people/voters (cause they are the ones who read the Cary News) who continue to read the saga. As Cary Turns continues next week.

Kelly

[Brent]

As Cary Turns continues next week.

Kelly

I would call it "As the Stomach Turns". :lol:

[Brent]

It is pathetic. Nobody is going to change anyones mind, why bother? Let it go, shoot it, bury it, I don't care. Give it a rest!

Even though I took a turn in this particular debate, it now reminds me of those letters in the Cary Politics newspaper thing ("Did not!" "Did so!" "Oh, yeah?" "Says you!"). :lol:

[kellyc]

Sadly I think the political careers of all those involved are now toast. Especially Darryl's.

Kelly

[johnb]

...part of being a good politician is knowing who to always ignore, when to ignore most people, and who to never ignore......

Some people, leftist freaks (animal "rights" wackos, homosexual lifestyle activists, anti-property rights fanatics, and other such radicals) can safely and always being ignored in the South, mid-west, and west (with exceptions for Chapel Hill and such places).

It is safe to ignore one issue voters most of the time as their issue will usually make it on the electorate's radar screen infrequently....home schoolers, anti-gun nuts, pro/con abortion activists, and such....

For politicians in the center and on the right it is imperative they never ignore middle class property owners and business owners.....

For politicians on the left, it doesn't matter in Cary, if they pay attention to the leftist activists they won't remain in office.

[kellyc]

I think the fact that Darryl keeps "taking the bait" is actually harming him more than anyone. Of all those involved he is the one most likely to want to run again. Sometimes you just have to let it go and not get the last word in. But thats my humble opinion.

[johnb]

Gotta agree with that.....getting involved in a never ending tit for tat attaches a stigma on his name/face....if he wanted to do this he should have prodded a surrogate to do it for him....the way Harold got Ruth Merkle to jump....

[Brent]

John, I doubt that Harold "got" Ruth to write a letter for him. Do you think that in past episodes of this soap opera, Darryl "got" Finn or Nourse to write letters for him?

I don't know and really don't care. But now I'm almost hoping that this goes on until Christmas 2004! :lol:

[johnb]

I have no idea what Darryl's relationship with the other two may or may not be. The two of them may hate Darryl's guts for all I know.

Ruth being Harold's campaign advisor/director is not an impartial/independent voice in that spat.

IF you are asking if I believe politicians use people for their own purposes, yes. Especially the True Believers who think that that politician is the Salvation of the city/county/state. Politicians of all stripes need people like that.

Welcome to partisan politics Brent. 8)

[Wuptdo]

John B Wrote:

...part of being a good politician is knowing who to always ignore, when to ignore most people, and who to never ignore......


Yes, sometimes it is best just to ignore the folks, especially when they fail to see the "big" picture!

Wuptdo B-)

[Anonymous]

I thought this website was in place to debate political questions. Yet
instead there is just criticizing of individuals. Why don't you focus on what they are saying? :( There were several valid questions in the earlier letters on this topic ...

> How do you stop partisanship without suppressing free speech in "nonpartisan" races?

> If you can't stop special interest involvement, then are independent candidates in an uphill battle to win future contests?

> Is it really fair to criticize one political party when it is obvious that special interest involvement is widespread involving many groups?

> Are political parties out of touch with mainstream America and more focused on special interests?

[Don]

I thought this website was in place to debate political questions. Yet
instead there is just criticizing of individuals. Why don't you focus on what they are saying? :( There were several valid questions in the earlier letters on this topic ...

> How do you stop partisanship without suppressing free speech in "nonpartisan" races?

> If you can't stop special interest involvement, then are independent candidates in an uphill battle to win future contests?

> Is it really fair to criticize one political party when it is obvious that special interest involvement is widespread involving many groups?

> Are political parties out of touch with mainstream America and more focused on special interests?

Hey Darryl,
Don't think you are the only one being criticized. The opinions of most on this site is just that you are the one that WILL lose the most *IF* you were planning on running for office again, not that you were wrong. I don't remember anyone saying you were wrong, Harold was wrong, Ruth, Michael, etc.. Most just think that EVERYONE should, as Cartman says, "Quit Your Bitch!ng!" It's over, done, finished, time up, give it a rest, move on, find closure, so lets ALL just let it go. How many more names get drug through the mud? and for what?

And to answer the questions in the previous post:
1.> How do you stop partisanship without suppressing free speech in "nonpartisan" races?

You don't, welcome to reality. If you are mad that the "other" parties candidates won or lost, kick you party in gear and get to work.

2.> If you can't stop special interest involvement, then are independent candidates in an uphill battle to win future contests?

Yes.

3.> Is it really fair to criticize one political party when it is obvious that special interest involvement is widespread involving many groups?

Free Speach, deal with it. Everyone else has to.

4.> Are political parties out of touch with mainstream America and more focused on special interests?

Yes.

As you may or may not be able to tell, I'm a bit "ticked". After a month or so this should have ended. It's VERY upsetting to see friends and colleagues names slandered like this. LET IT GO! :evil: :evil: :evil:

[kellyc]

> How do you stop partisanship without suppressing free speech in "nonpartisan" races?

Simple you run as your own person. In the town of Cary municipal elections you simply run as an individual, and say no thanks to party endorsements



> If you can't stop special interest involvement, then are independent candidates in an uphill battle to win future contests?

Special intrests and independent candidates do not have to equal the same thing. Everyone has special intrests, thats why they run for office usually. You dont HAVE to have a political endorsement to run for office.



> Is it really fair to criticize one political party when it is obvious that special interest involvement is widespread involving many groups?
No, but republican party went a little overboard this time. Had the democrats done the same thing I would have felt the same way towards them. The town of Cary's municipal elections are NON Partisan. The Parties should do the honerable thing and stay out.


> Are political parties out of touch with mainstream America and more focused on special interests?
Yes, completely.

Being a republican will not make Ernie a great mayor or leader. It wont make Mike and elder statesman. Being a democrat will not make Julie a great leader. It is their minds, their hearts and most importantly the ability to listen that will ultimately decide that. Success rises and falls on leadership, not the party endorsement.

Kelly <who is not afraid to sign her name to her opinions.

[Karen]

Kelly <who is not afraid to sign her name to her opinions.

AMEN to that Kelly!!! :D

Karen

[Wuptdo]

Miss Kelly,

kcommiskey wrote:
Kelly <who is not afraid to sign her name to her opinions.


Right On!

However,

Quote:

> Is it really fair to criticize one political party when it is obvious that special interest involvement is widespread involving many groups?

No, but republican party went a little overboard this time. Had the democrats done the same thing I would have felt the same way towards them. The town of Cary's municipal elections are NON Partisan. The Parties should do the honerable thing and stay out.


I agree with you on this, but I believe the democrats started getting involved in municipal elections all over the country in the last few years. Mr. Mcaffie (DNC) has made it point in order to re-vitize the party, the party must get back to its roots at the lowest level of government (trickle up theory). As you recall in the last Mayor's race in both Raleigh & Durham, McAffie as well as other party heavies showed up to support their NON partisan canidates. I think what we saw in Cary was the republicans protecting their "turf," i.e., the burbs. As our population grows, I think the problem will only get worse. For the most part, most policitians work their way though the ranks. For instance, Bill Flecther running for Super of Schools.

Be that as it may, in spite of the politicians, our country has managed to survive for over 225 years.

Oh, and to "Guest," please read some of the older threads. I think you will find that your opinion will be welcome, in that we all enjoy a good debate of the issues. Peace-out!

Wuptdo B-)

[kellyc]

I agree with you on this, but I believe the democrats started getting involved in municipal elections all over the country in the last few years. Mr. Mcaffie (DNC) has made it point in order to re-vitize the party, the party must get back to its roots at the lowest level of government (trickle up theory). As you recall in the last Mayor's race in both Raleigh & Durham, McAffie as well as other party heavies showed up to support their NON partisan canidates. I think what we saw in Cary was the republicans protecting their "turf," i.e., the burbs. As our population grows, I think the problem will only get worse. For the most part, most policitians work their way though the ranks. For instance, Bill Flecther running for Super of Schools.


Wup

Your right, both parties are guilty. I would just like to think that our candidates in Cary are a little different than Raleigh's and Durham's. Maybe wishful thinking, but I just seem to hold our Mayor to a higher standard than Meeker.

Kelly

[johnb]

> How do you stop partisanship without suppressing free speech in "nonpartisan" races?

Can't be done. "Partisanship" = people of like purposes joining forces for their common goals. The only people who denounce "partisanship" are 1-naive, or 2-extremists trying to hide their own record/motivations. For instance, in Cary, leftists/Donkeycrats will decry "partisanship" because most Cary voters are educated and in the private sector. They really can't speak to or for us by and large. Their "base" is elsewhere.

> If you can't stop special interest involvement, then are independent candidates in an uphill battle to win future contests?

Yes Darryl, and another way to keep challengers out is to have government subsidies/restrictions on campaign cash, such as Cary's Welfare for Politicians Act.

> Is it really fair to criticize one political party when it is obvious that special interest involvement is widespread involving many groups?

What has "fair" got to do with politics? The Donkeycrats didn't support JULIEFORCARY! and the Whiner because there was little chance of success. If the GOP had had their own candidate running against Shoeboy they'd have knocked the Color Nazi off the city council as well. The little Donkeys will support a candidate running in places where they have a better chance of success. The implied suggestion that the little donkeys are somehow more "ethical" than the GOP because they didn't support JULIEFORCARY! and Shoeboy is simple moronic.

[Wuptdo]

Miss Kelly,

Maybe wishful thinking, but I just seem to hold our Mayor to a higher standard than Meeker.

Kelly


I hope so, but once Meeker's crowd really begins to wine & dine Mayor Ernie, who knows what will happen (lower inpact fees to Raleigh's level?).

As far as Meeker goes, he is nothing more than a "strawman" for the real powers that be in Raleigh/Wake County. As another parasitic lawyer policitian, his only concern is making his "buddies" rich and his lawfirm fat. His only purpose as mayor is to get the convention center built and attempt to re-vitize downtown, which only benefits a few very, very, rich property owners. (Read Barry Saunders today). Now I wouldn't mind the convention center and such, if and only if, Raleigh City/Hotel taxes where paying for it. However, we all get to pay for a re-vitized downtown Raleigh, thanks to those lying weasels known as the country commissions. So far, none of the commish'es have responsed to my e-mail about while they supported this.

After the convention center is built and the taxpayers realize what a real white elephant it really is -- Meeker and some of his council critters will be long gone -- laughing all the way to the bank. They will be living large next to former Sen. Edwards on Fiqure Eight Island; celebrating nightly, over how they hosed over the taxpayers of Wake County. :cry:

What I want to know is: Who really is behind the curtain?

(getting off soapbox and going back to bed)

Wuptdo B-)

[Brent]

[Hey Darryl,
Don't think you are the only one being criticized. The opinions of most on this site is just that you are the one that WILL lose the most *IF* you were planning on running for office again, not that you were wrong. I don't remember anyone saying you were wrong, Harold was wrong, Ruth, Michael, etc.. Most just think that EVERYONE should, as Cartman says, "Quit Your Bitch!ng!" It's over, done, finished, time up, give it a rest, move on, find closure, so lets ALL just let it go. How many more names get drug through the mud? and for what?

And to answer the questions in the previous post:
1.> How do you stop partisanship without suppressing free speech in "nonpartisan" races?

You don't, welcome to reality. If you are mad that the "other" parties candidates won or lost, kick you party in gear and get to work.

2.> If you can't stop special interest involvement, then are independent candidates in an uphill battle to win future contests?

Yes.

3.> Is it really fair to criticize one political party when it is obvious that special interest involvement is widespread involving many groups?

Free Speach, deal with it. Everyone else has to.

4.> Are political parties out of touch with mainstream America and more focused on special interests?

Yes.

As you may or may not be able to tell, I'm a bit "ticked". After a month or so this should have ended. It's VERY upsetting to see friends and colleagues names slandered like this. LET IT GO! :evil: :evil: :evil:

Don, sounds like the makings of a pretty good letter to the editor!

[Brent]

Kelly <who is not afraid to sign her name to her opinions.

AMEN to that Kelly!!! :D

Karen

Double AMEN!