Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: Cary Politics Translation Services for CTC

  1. #1
    dhyatt's Avatar
    dhyatt is offline Super Moderator Five Year Club
    Site Supporter
    Site Admin
    3-Star Forum General
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Cary, NC
    Posts
    4,743

    Default Cary Politics Translation Services for CTC

    It is obvious after reading the staff recommendations for item 3.a.8 "TCAP Stormwater Management Approach", found HERE, that CTC & citizens would need some help translating exactly what staff was trying to say. So, with that mind, we here at CP decided to oblige

    From the staff's finding and recommendations:
    "§ Stormwater regulations are complex, and can be difficult to meet on highly impervious sites;"

    Translation: We don't like the consultant's findings.
    ***
    § Stormwater control is part of the cost of doing business in urban areas, and there is no “magic” fix that will eliminate stormwater requirements in downtown Cary ;

    Translation: It's going to be d@mn expensive to fix so we will attempt to foist the cost on businesses.
    ***
    § Costs will likely increase over time as additional state and federal regulations are implemented;

    Translation: It's going to be even more expensive when we have to deal with it down the road, but we can blame it on the Feds that way!
    ***
    § While the TCAP plan and water quality goals may conflict, they can both be effectively addressed using the recommended approach;

    Translation: Make that "using "our" recommended approach, not the one proposed by consultants."
    ***
    § While regional, large-scale approaches were evaluated, the current approach to stormwater management that utilizes individual, on-site best management practices is still the most cost effective at this time;

    Translation: We don't have the will to spend the money needed to really fix the probem. We'd rather spend it on dog parks. We think it's best if individual property owners fix the problem themslelves anyways.
    ***
    § Due to the regulations, redevelopment of already-developed sites may be preferable to new development or expansion of under-developed sites; and,

    Translation: There's no way new/additional development won't make the problem worse and we aren't going to fix the problem, so we'll leave it to individual property owners to fix.
    ***
    § By combining sites, property owners may be able to achieve more flexibility in meeting stormwater goals and share costs.

    Translation: If property owners would just buy up 3 lots, tear down all the buildings, plant wetlands and build one much smaller building in the remaing space, our problems would be solved!
    ***
    And in conclusion:
    "Staff Recommendation: Staff recommends that the TCAP land use plan remain unchanged. Staff recommends that stormwater be managed consistently with existing ordinances with additional evaluation of downstream stormwater impacts."

    Translation: We have a big problem and we don't think we should change a d@mn thing. If citizens/businesses don't like it, they can move.



    Note: We at CP are only here to help.
    Don Hyatt
    Webmaster
    CaryPolitics.org

  2. #2
    Cathy Guest

    Default

    WOW Don!

    VERY GOOD translating skills!!

    And the bottom line being
    "Staff recommends that we move ahead with TCAP and DO NOTHING about the stormwater problems existing or created."
    "We just WANT OUR TCAP PROJECT! ...so to H*## with everyone and everything else!"

    Get ready Caryites!
    Raleigh is moving into it's first TIF project. How long before Cary politicians follow?

    http://www.naturalsciences.org/wnew/...Interlocal.htm

    TIF Use being explored as possible funding for this project:

    N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences Makes Pitch for Interlocal Funds

    August 31, 2004
    For Immediate Release
    Contact: Jon Pishney or RALEIGH - Partners in the proposed Green Square project presented their case for interlocal funds to the combined governing boards of the City of Raleigh and Wake County on Monday morning.

    The Green Square project is a collaborative effort between the Museum, the N.C. Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) and the State Employees' Credit Union that calls for renovation of the entire city block just west of the Museum, with an emphasis on environmentally friendly construction methods. The project would include an expanded six-story Credit Union financial services center, central office space for approximately 600 current DENR employees, retail and restaurant space, and much-needed downtown parking. Construction cost for the entire project is estimated at $92 million. Bennett and her collaborators asked for $10 million for the construction of the Nature Research Center.

    The Museum's Nature Research Center is an integral piece of the Green Square project. Upon first approach to the Center, visitors will be greeted by changing images of the natural world. On a day like Monday morning, visitors might see the latest image of an approaching hurricane. Once inside,! addition

    "We're convinced the Nature Research Center, as a part of the Green Square project, will have a major positive impact on downtown Raleigh and

    The Museum has been a top tourist draw since its expansion in April 2000. In the past year alone, the Museum welcomed more than 913,000 people, making it the most visited museum in the state. The Nature Research Center will expand on the Museum's offerings by focusing on cutting-edge research in environmental and natural sciences. The Center will be a national model, housing everything from high-tech research laboratories to presentation areas where visitors can interact with scientists and educators for a unique learning experience.

  3. #3
    Laurie's Avatar
    Laurie is offline Verified Five Year Club
    Site Supporter
    Forum General
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    the sunny south
    Posts
    713

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cathy
    Get ready Caryites!
    Raleigh is moving into it's first TIF project. How long before Cary politicians follow?
    Sue Rowland forwarded an e-mail invitation to the mayor about a meeting being held at the state treasurer's request hosted by the NC League of Municipalities, the NC Assoc of County Commissioners and the state treasurer on Amendment One/ TIF Financing. The meeting was on Dec 13, 2004 in Raleigh. "The purpose for the meeting is to review the process for the recently enabled Project Development Financing (Amendment One/ Self Financing Bonds/ TIF - Senate Bill 725)." Ms. Rowland asked the mayor if he was planning to go.

    The mayor replied on 11/29/04, "It would be interesting to hear, but it appears unlikely that we will avail ourselves of this funding option. If Bill thinks someone from staff should go then I'm glad to go with them, otherwise we can sit it out. Thanks." (I added bold for emphasis.)
    "You don't have power if you surrender all your principles - you have office." Ron Todd

  4. #4
    Cathy Guest

    Default

    Laurie,

    Thanks for posting that.

    I remember the announcements for that presentation, now that you mention it.
    It's good to hear tht Ernie is not enthusiastic about using TIF, but Ernie won't be Mayor forever.

    Good ol' League of Municipalities... always there to fight the good fight against the citizens.
    May 11th is the League's Town Hall Day. Last year they lobbied against Annexation Reform Bills, and I'm betting they do it again this year, with eight Bills filed this session to change the law.

    I'm trying to organize a citizen's lobbying effort on May 11 to counter the League. The League watches the StopNCAnnexation website, and they are now trying to rally municipal officials to work against this citizen effort.


    Cathy

  5. #5
    Laurie's Avatar
    Laurie is offline Verified Five Year Club
    Site Supporter
    Forum General
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    the sunny south
    Posts
    713

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Laurie
    Quote Originally Posted by Cathy
    Get ready Caryites!
    Raleigh is moving into it's first TIF project. How long before Cary politicians follow?
    Sue Rowland forwarded an e-mail invitation to the mayor about a meeting being held at the state treasurer's request hosted by the NC League of Municipalities, the NC Assoc of County Commissioners and the state treasurer on Amendment One/ TIF Financing. The meeting was on Dec 13, 2004 in Raleigh. "The purpose for the meeting is to review the process for the recently enabled Project Development Financing (Amendment One/ Self Financing Bonds/ TIF - Senate Bill 725)." Ms. Rowland asked the mayor if he was planning to go.

    The mayor replied on 11/29/04, "It would be interesting to hear, but it appears unlikely that we will avail ourselves of this funding option. If Bill thinks someone from staff should go then I'm glad to go with them, otherwise we can sit it out. Thanks." (I added bold for emphasis.)
    From today's Cary News:

    Published: May 9, 2006
    Cary will not seek local laws from General Assembly

    Heart of Cary members are more interested in the possibility of tax-increment financing, which was approved by North Carolina voters in 2004, McAlister said.
    "You don't have power if you surrender all your principles - you have office." Ron Todd

  6. #6
    Brent's Avatar
    Brent is offline Verified Five Year Club
    Site Supporter
    3-Star Forum General
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Here
    Posts
    4,636

    Default

    Outstanding and on-the-money translation service, Hyatt. Thanks very much!

    And the undercurrent of Staff's conclusion, which could also be part of the translation, is:

    D@mn the stormwater, full speed ahead! We must realize our TCAP vision. Our recommendation also alleviates much pressure from major downtown landowners, and that makes us feel better about trashing the environment.

    I predict a TIF trial balloon will be floated in Cary very soon. Mayor Chamber O'Commerce will back it if the real bosses of Cary tell him to. Hopefully, Mike Joyce and the rest of us can shout it down.
    - Brent Miller

    "The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open" -- Gunter Grass

  7. #7
    Brent's Avatar
    Brent is offline Verified Five Year Club
    Site Supporter
    3-Star Forum General
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Here
    Posts
    4,636

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cathy
    It's good to hear tht Ernie is not enthusiastic about using TIF, but Ernie won't be Mayor forever.
    Oops...looks like he might be changing his mind.
    - Brent Miller

    "The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open" -- Gunter Grass

  8. #8
    Laurie's Avatar
    Laurie is offline Verified Five Year Club
    Site Supporter
    Forum General
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    the sunny south
    Posts
    713

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Brent
    Quote Originally Posted by Cathy
    It's good to hear tht Ernie is not enthusiastic about using TIF, but Ernie won't be Mayor forever.
    Oops...looks like he might be changing his mind.
    No. This was his quote from November 2004.



    I quoted that and added his current comment from May 9, 2006.
    "You don't have power if you surrender all your principles - you have office." Ron Todd

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    47

    Default Re: Cary Politics Translation Services for CTC

    Quote Originally Posted by dhyatt
    It is obvious after reading the staff recommendations for item 3.a.8 "TCAP Stormwater Management Approach", found HERE, that CTC & citizens would need some help translating exactly what staff was trying to say. So, with that mind, we here at CP decided to oblige

    From the staff's finding and recommendations:
    "§ Stormwater regulations are complex, and can be difficult to meet on highly impervious sites;"

    Translation: We don't like the consultant's findings.
    Don, excellent job with the translations.

    This is the same tactic Cary Staff took on the consultants recommendations for the sewage plant in New Hill. The consultants ranked 3 sites on Progress Energy property 1, 2, and 3. For some unknown reason, the staff skipped over PE sites and picked the site in the center of New Hill that was ranked number 4.

    One thing about Cary Staff, they are consistent and always looking for ways to stick it to individuals while protecting their builder buddies.

    Bob

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •